Let's see if this works...

People who frame unions as merely a method by which to prevent the firing of incompetent teachers miss the fact that it is often some of the brightest teachers that need the most protection from unwarranted termination, as they are most likely to voice their opinions and speak out on behalf of the students. In other words, they are more likely to cause a stir.

Of course, this is based entirely on personal experience working in a small urban public school. I do not have any data to back it up.

I would also agree that unions help protect against burnout, which is a very big problem, especially in places like kipp schools that require an 80-plus hour weekly committment from their teachers (with real working hours probably approaching 100 for many of the most motivated). A high turnover rate - even with a continuous supply of very bright teachers - cannot produce a stable, productive school environment.

I don't understand the math on the number of KIPP NYC schools that are unionized. KIPP AMP and KIPP in the Bronx equal two - what's the third?

"Let's see if this works..."

I hear stuff like that all the time, but what exactly does that mean? Keep in mind that the role of the teacher's union first and foremost is NOT to contribute to a child's education, but to fight for the rights and better compensation of their members. Thats not to say that a teacher's union should stand in the way of improving education and I would argue that they very rarely do, though they make for a convenient target for conservatives and an unfortunate amount of liberals to pin failure on.

But at the end of the day, unionization "working" in this instance will mean improving the compensation of their members and protecting their rights in the workplace. Thats how it should be. Education is important, but so too is it important that the people who work in education live a decent life, not just because it makes for better education (which it does,) but also because they are people who are every bit as worthy of a comfortable life as a lawyer, factory worker, etc.

i don't get it. KIPP is supposed to be, like, the most set of awesome schools in the country. so how come they can't build a decent culture such that teachers don't feel the need to unionize? lots of companies do it (exemplar example, google). What's so weird and messed up with the schools?

Also KIPP has way more than four campuses... like 66.

KIPP Infinity is already technically a member of the UFT (though they don't often admit unless it is convenient - like when we post high test scores - and they criticize us in their "newspaper" whenever they get a chance).

The UFT called several teachers at KIPP Infinity a few months back to get us riled up to begin negotiating and to my knowledge, no one even cared enough to even call back (I certainly didn't). Unionizing the "UFT way" wasn't really an option for teachers who know what that bureaucratic nightmare entails.

In addition, turnover is incredibly low (I don't know a single person that has ever quit) at KIPP Infinity and for good reason - the culture and the leadership under Joe Negron are far better than any regular public school at which any of us has ever been employed.

Our school already is technically part of the UFT (for purposes of health care and pension), though our only official commitments are to each other and the students, not to the UFT. We've never negotiated a legal contract with their assistance.

I suspect that the UFT is employing a tactic here to get the conversation started and push for KIPP's inclusion in the UFT so they can claim that somehow unionization is responsible for our success.

In order to do that, they will dishonestly use the fact that we USE the UFT for the health/pension benefits (a decision made in 2005 by the then large staff of 5, mind you) as if we have expressed in 2009 a supermajority desire to negotiate a contract.

Now, I'm confused. Sounds like they aren't going union.

There is no evidence that "KIPP's instructors are among the best in the nation," in any meaningful way. Their value can't be separated from the context of their school. How do you know how a young KIPP teacher compares to a veteran public school teacher who succeeds in the midst of a disfunctional system? You don't.

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I know this discussion is old, but I felt the need to comment. As a teacher that has quit her KIPP job, did not work at KIPP Infinity and did not have the same administrative support, I can honestly say that KIPP teachers, as a whole, are-- without fail-- some of the most dedicated, hard working, selfless individuals working in the school system. So, comparisons aside, KIPP schools are pulling teachers from a talented pool.

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