Let's make no bones about this: it's blackmail. Clinton is trying to pressure Obama. I don't know for what yet, but that's what this is. And he cannot give in.

I don't know that she wants the Vice Presidency, but I think that if she really wants to be considered, she's going to have to show Obama that he can trust her. Isn't that, like, the purpose of the Vice President? She's acting like she's entitled once again, and she's seemingly unaware of the fact that she's validating the opinions of the Andrew Sullivans out there. Maybe we ought to start listening to him...

monster.

The oddest part about all of it is that she's seemingly split this into two races - the race she's running against Obama and the race McCain is running against Obama. And fundamentally speaking, the latter has nothing to do with the former, which is her domain.

And how's it going? ;)

The "comment" box leads directly to the donation form-- and you can't submit a comment without giving her money. Clever design! If enough people donate money while asking her to drop out, will she do so?

Eh, not too badly. What's up with you?

She has given Sen. Obama no reason to trust her. Without a concession, without an acknowledgement of his having attained the necessary ballots, with the solicitation of campaign donations...it's obvious who she truly cares about at this stage.

I do not beleive Sen. Clinton is leveraging for a Democratic loss this fall, with hopes of running in 2012. I feel, having watched her speeches and the intense campaign coverage, that she truly beleives in her heart she is the more competitive candidate for the fall, and that she will not allow the Democrats to shoot themselves in the foot, so the speak.

She knows better, apparantly, that the majority of primary voters, the majority of states won, and the majority of super delegates, as well as polling data that shows him as a stronger candidate (or at least an equal candidate to her) when pitted against Sen. McCain.

She knows better. She. She. She. She. That's what her candidacy has always been about. And today, that other candidate won - that candidate who is about "we".

Sorry for the rant. But I needed to pounce before the odd Clinton troll or two come on for their rants. They should be good and mad after donating some money to campaing website.

Hard for me to see how this non-acceptance doesn't make things worse for her. While the rest of us move on to the general, she's left behind, seemingly in denial, all by herself (well, maybe with Penn, but that'd be even worse).

With Video

I can't believe it.

Breathtaking. The gall of this lady.

Not embedded:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=anK1Yc_9HNI

She just diminished , at least in my eyes, the idea that she should be on the ticket. Her speech was classness, and I am disappointed in her as a candidate. At the very least aknowlege what the other guys done. At the very least. Otherwise you are just tacky. Just my two cents.

"The gall of this lady."

Yes, how totally unladylike of her. I practically spit up in my trough during her speech.

Somewhere in New York, I suspect there is an aspiring politician seeing his/her opportunity to run for the Senate and raise a lot of money.

Bloix, your gender trolling didn't work over at Yglesias' either. Give it up.

Obama likely is strategic enough to let this nonsense pass, and watch over the next few weeks as he becomes more and more publicly identified (in a dozen different ways) as the Democratic candidate, and no longer as Hillary Clinton's rival.

The pressure exerted by the Clintonites seems immense right now, but outside the delegate battle at the convention itself, most of it will evaporate over the next few weeks.

And I would guess that it wouldn't be until well after Obama has comfortably established himself in the role of the actual Democratic nominee that he does anything regarding the VP.

All the sound & fury may soon fade due to that process, and not from any necessary grand move from anyone.

Sangfroid826 - I've never seen your name before. I comment here three or four times a week. There are more assholes stinking up this place than there used to be and more arrive every day. And when I see an asshole, you know what? I call it an asshole. So fuck off, asshole.

What you say is true El Cid, but call me disappointed in her regardless. I mean I actually thought she was at least VP material, but now, I think she pretty much shot herself in the foot for momentary stuff for folks like Bloix.

The nominee of the Democratic Party for President does not negotiate with terrorists.

My, my.

Tempers are running high, are they not?

And for the record, Bloix, I'm a EK commenter from back in the day. You're the noob, I fear. I know the secret identity of Jacqueline. I know the fate of Fred. I've had tomorrow's media conspiracy today. But it's nice you're feeling possessive of this space.

We'll be looking forward to your loyal support in November.

I can't believe no one has pointed out that Coupling, apparently, swiped this plot from Seinfeld.

kudos for the Coupling reference. Keep them coming

It all depends on the polls.
If Obama looks like a lock before the convention Clinton will get nothing, if it is close she will get something.

The question is what is that something. It is not the VP. That is being played up to make the other options much more attractive. So is it Majority Leader, universal healthcare, Bill on a dollar coin?

Ted Kennedy did not endorse/concede until his speech at the convention and he only had 54% of the delegates Carter did.

Let's make no bones about this: it's blackmail. Clinton is trying to pressure Obama. I don't know for what yet, but that's what this is.

I think this is correct. Here is how I would like Obama to respond:

"Senator? You can have my answer now, if you like. My final offer is this: nothing. Not even the retiring of your campaign debt, which I would appreciate if you would put up personally."

I promise, the comment thread is big enough for the both of you. Get back to yelling at each other over candidates.

Some smart comments above (to the effect of her decreasing her viability of being selected as VP).

This makes me think of the revolutionary war surrender at Yorktown, accept in this alternate universe, Gen. Cornwalis says "I must think about this after I hear from more of my supporters. How about a suspension of hostilities while I consider if something might change?".

To which I suppose Gen. Washington and Admiral DeGrasse would have proceeded to pound Cornwalis' army into the dust.

My summary thoughts (from the Army-McCarthy hearings), with Obama saying to HRC: Senator, have you no shame?

What will happen is, she will become a national joke.

Most of us knew it was over on Super Tuesday.

But the morons in the media did their job. Make her look like she had a chance.

The Clintons are in a very desperate situation. Bill has been pre-selling his wife's Presidency for about 2 years now, taking in millions of "donations" to his Foundation on the promise of Clinton White House II. Myriad other top level advisors and other professionals who surround the Clintons have been doing their own pre-selling. My analysis suggests that pre-selling of favors was running pretty high into Iowa, as Hillary was inevitable.

Barack Obama has cost the Clintons and the people around them, collectively, hundreds of millions of dollars. There will be no White House from which to pay off the donors.

I look forward to a joint Ezra/Jesse post in the near future (cross-posted or whatever) inviting all of us to a BBQ on the Mall, or some other public space to see and get to know each other.

I'll make the trip, and I live in Seattle.

Sort of joking, sort of not. It would either be the best ever, or provide material for so many blogposts that it would all work out.

Other than that, I encourage folks to remind themselves what makes us democrats. In fundamental terms. Such as, empathy, consideration, politeness, emotional distance, and most of all, thinking about others as equals, not as annoyances, idiots, or enemies.

Peace.

And yes, Ezra and Jesse, get to work on the BBQ, don't leave that stuff to Mr. McCain.

Montana. It's still a state too, right?

They were still voting when the senator took the podium and declared that South Dakota had had the last say in the matter.

Also, she was a sore fucking loser trying to drive the wedge deeper.

Sorry for the double post.

Anyone catch the symbolism of holding the speech in a sub-basement cut off from television, radio and (cell) phones? Bunker imagery, anyone?

she didn't even mention that anything had changed

In the end game nothing has changed. As we all know, this day was inevitable since March. Clinton has been waiting for Obama to implode since then and will now "suspend" her campaign and wait some more.

I don't have strong polarized feelings about this, just a little wary of how vehement and dismissive the Obama pundits are, in victory. It should be easier to be gracious in victory, than defeat. my two cents:

1. after the Obama camp scuttled revotes in Florida and Michigan (which should have been held in the last week of March / first week of April), they lost standing to complain about the January elections being counted. So I think Clinton should press for Florida and Michigan to be counted, and I feel the bar Obama has to cross is 2200, not 2100.

2. The popular vote is important, and superdelegates should take it into account, in combination with other factors, including electability, personal preference, campaign momentum, etc.

According to Chris Bowers (who has been invaluable on these issues, fair and meticulous, and not dismissive about the importance of the popular vote) Obama has won the popular vote by the thinnest of margins, and has crossed the 2200 threshold.

3. I Don't buy the argument this has to be wrapped up quickly, quickly, or else McCain will win. The primary season ends July 15, the general election starts August 15, and there's a 1 month transition. Plenty of time, and no reason to push Clinton out of the race before her supporters are ready for her to go. "Nothing is ever done until it is done right".

Once Obama has passed the 2200 threshold by 10-15 delegates, I think it's perfectly legitimate for Clinton to take a week, 10 days, 2 weeks, to call each of the 800 superdelegates, and try to get their vote. Three Clinton delegates switched to Obama, no reason why Clinton should not make every effort to get Obama delegates to switch to Clinton.

Once the superdelegate campaign/conversation process has been completed, if Obama still has the delegates at that point, she should concede. But not before, IMO.

roublen,

You've made a very reasoned, cogent argument defending Hillary. Three or four months ago, I would have agreed with you and given the Clintons the benefit of the doubt. The problem is that every time I give them the benefit of the doubt, I get a kick in the nuts.

Today, I know better. The Clintons are fighters. They are comfortable fighting both "friend" and "foe" as long as it increases their personal power.

roublen: "Clinton should press for Florida and Michigan to be counted"

Yeah she did that over the weekend.

"I think it's perfectly legitimate for Clinton to take a week, 10 days, 2 weeks, to call each of the 800 superdelegates, and try to get their vote"

Hasn't Clinton's been doing this for the last 5 months?

Fighting to the last vote is one thing...fighting past that is Quixotic.

ben ura fucking nob
It was gracious of you to give Clinton the benefit of the doubt before Super Tuesday.
Perhaps you deserve to continually get kick in the nuts. Try harder.

Roublen, this result has been inevitable since at least March 4th. Any other candidate would have been made to bow out after Obama won 12 straight contests in February. The reason Obama supporters are so vehement about this is that she's already been given her grace period-- the last three months have been strictly about her stubbornness and pride.

We should have been united and focused on McCain all throughout March, and April, and May. Now you're telling me you want to write off June and half of July before we can all accept what we already know for certain?

Interestingly enough runners up Jerry Brown, Jesse Jackson, Gary Hart and Ted Kennedy all waited until the convention to concede even though they had won only 18%, 45%, 55%, and 54% of the delegates the winner had secured.

Obama supporters are vehement by nature and kept agitated by design. Reason has no place in the process.

Interestingly enough runners up Jerry Brown, Jesse Jackson, Gary Hart and Ted Kennedy all waited until the convention to concede even though they had won only 18%, 45%, 55%, and 54% of the delegates the winner had secured.

And, ah, how'd that work out for the party in the general?

DJA

You can't seriously be suggesting that if Jackson and Hart would have conceded before the convention Mondale and Dukakis would have won. That is asinine but an improvement from the outright falsehoods above.

After all that has happened, you choose a boyfriend/girlfriend metaphor?

Why not just stick with the Fatal Attraction one already out there though?

For my part, I cannot think that all the rancor between the Obama and Clinton Camps is natural.
I'm betting some of this has been pushed by Republican trolls. There is plenty of racism and sexism to go around, but dang, a candidate is not responsible for the bad behavior of their supporters, unless the campaigns are actually encouraging them.
I don't understand Mrs. Clinton's thinking here, but I hope Mr. Obama has the good taste to give several speeches on the evils of sexism. And takes some action to curb the excesses of some followers.

Hillary would make a great ambassador to Bosnia because she's such a hard working white person, as far as I know.

A Coupling reference? What's next Who's Coming to Dinner?

Look, tonight's was Obama's night. Why should she concede at point unless she has the full attention of the world to herself?

She's put a lot of herself into this and came pretty damn close. Her and Bill said some stupid things near the end that make it hard to defend her staying in the race, but on principal she has every right and reason to do so.

Mabye she manuvering to get the VP nod or just to re-write Obama's health care platform.

As some guy once said: "I've got political capital and I intend to use it." She has earned lots of political captial; lets hope she used it for the benefit of the Democratic Party and the nation.

As some guy once said: "I've got political capital and I intend to use it."

And then proceeded to go on a national town hall tour promoting the dismantling of social security which ended up crashing and burning.

Interestingly enough runners up Jerry Brown, Jesse Jackson, Gary Hart and Ted Kennedy all waited until the convention to concede

And regardless of the outcome of the general election, these were all stubborn, futile moves.

I worked my ass off for a local primary campaign, and I remember the candidate coming in to the gym where we were having the after-party, looking at all of us, and saying, "guy, we didn't do it." We moved on, voted for his opponent in the general election, and got over it.

this tenacity would have been great if they had showed it during the 90s in some of the battles for progressive causes. just thought that needed to be said, because now this schtick leaves a question mark over exactly why they didn't fight as hard as they could if this is as hard as they can fight. Maybe if they had the outcome of this primary would have been different.

This was the one and only shot for Hillary. In 2012, she will be too old.

The problem with looking back on Brown, Jackson, Hart, and Kennedy is that I don't think any of them spent the time after their losses were inevitable attacking and trying to diminish the nominee-elect. If Hillary hadn't engaged in her scorched earth policy over the past several months, no one would be begrudging her the right to hold her delegates until the convention.

I have not been an Obama supporter in this primary, but I am a Democrat and I think what Hillary has done to the party is virtually unforgivable. If she turns a 180 and backs Obama with passion and without reward, she'll gain back some respect. Otherwise, I find her campaign to have been one of the more selfish spectacles I have witnessed in my life.

Carl Bernstein claimed on ABC News that Clinton had fully intended to go farther in recalcitrance in her speech last night, but the low turnout in Puerto Rico dampened that idea.

If what he says is true, then Obama should be a hard-nosed negotiator and not give an inch.

For my part, I cannot think that all the rancor between the Obama and Clinton Camps is natural.

why the hell not? When people feel vested in a fight the, shall I say claws :), come out. I think we should expect rancor to a certain degree in democratic contests - it sure beats apathy.

The problem with looking back on Brown, Jackson, Hart, and Kennedy is that I don't think any of them spent the time after their losses were inevitable attacking and trying to diminish the nominee-elect. If Hillary hadn't engaged in her scorched earth policy over the past several months, no one would be begrudging her the right to hold her delegates until the convention.

Look, she's going to concede 2 months before the convention starts, which is something that none of those other candidtates (especially Kennedy & Hart) refused to do. In terms of her "scorched-earth" strategy, her campaign was not particularly negative by historical standards.

Personally, I agree with the New York Times that Hilary's campaign ended up being a net benefit to Obama:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/11/weekinreview/11leib.html

"Look, she's going to concede 2 months before the convention starts"

Wanna bet?

Look, every other time I've ever watched a losing candidate give a speech, the people in the crowd start booing when the name of the winner is mentions and the losing candidate ALWAYS calms the crowd down and talks about how "we all have to respect our opponent for running such a strong race blah blah blah". Last night, Hillary's supporters started chanting "Den-ver, Den-ver" and what did Hillary do? Stand there with a sh!t-eating grin on her face and soak it up.

Mike

Here's what Clinton Wants

http://commonmistakes.blogspot.com/2008/06/what-clinton-wants.html

Was the media paying any attention to Jackson, Hart or Brown by the time of the convention? No. Kennedy they might have, only because of the family name. They'll pay attention to Clinton only because of her name.

Roublen: "Three Clinton delegates switched to Obama, no reason why Clinton should not make every effort to get Obama delegates to switch to Clinton."

As of this post, eleven (11) have switched from Clinton to Obama since yesterday. http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-endorsement-notes.html

Denial, denial, denial, denial in moderation it can be a virtue, in a presidential candidate its kind of scary.

Coupling stole this from Seinfeld.

Hillary is hanging on because she wants to translate her passionate supporters into $... why do you think she sent people to the website last night to "tell her what she should do" and right next to it there is a big "contribute" button saying how important it is to demonstrate your support for her...

http://blog.hillaryclinton.com/blog/main/2008/06/04/030945

George Castanza also was the central figure in a Seinfeld episode in which relationship leverage was at issue. Money quote, "I've got hand, baby!"

Remember Game 4 of the World Series last October? The Red Sox on the verge of sweeping the Series for their second title in 4 years, and Scott Boras chose that night to announce that Alex Rodriguez was opting out of his contract with the Yankees. Whether or not Rodriguez was behind that boorish, classless, mistimed (sound familiar?) move - and the jury is still out on that question - it came down to the same thing: "It's all about Me! Me! ME!!!!!" Whether the "me" was Boras or Rodriguez doesn't really matter.

Hillary took that script and replayed it last night. Just as the Red Sox were upstaged by someone representing their biggest rival, Hillary insisted on stealing Obama's moment. And she refuses to leave the stage despite the fact that the lights have been turned off and the audience have all left. The only people still there are her own stage crew and she's mistaking them for her audience.

Hillary, get some help. You don't need political office - you need a psychiatrist.

Oh, good. Clinton is a narcissist in need of help because she isn't doing what all the guys want her to do, quit before the overtime is over. Nader is a narcissist. But Obama is not, because he's the designated winner! He can't possibly have an inflated ego aspiring to run the country!

Come on, folks, get real. They are all political hacks. Both Obama and Clinton are hard to tell apart in terms of policy, so the main driver here is some sort of weird hatred that would think Obama was magnificent if he kept trying to swim upstream against all obstacles, but Clinton is somehow vile and depraved for doing so.

Gack. And to think I once thought liberals were more intelligent and capable than conservatives. We are working hard to prove we are every bit as awful in terms of personal behavior.

Brown & Jackson could take their

Shame on you Ezra.

No, Clinton didn't concede, but it was clear that she was concluding her campaign and helping her voters to start accepting that fact.

If you think your post and the noxious comments it's stimulated is the way to party unity, you are nuts, or maybe, it's just because you are very young.

I voted for Obama, but I have been continually appalled by the Clinton bashing going on all over the left blogisphere.

There is a serious rupture in the Democratic electorate, and it does need healing, and this is not the way to do it.

"Scorched earth?" One of you think Hillary's campaign equals scorched earth, wait for the GE.

The Republicans are already trying to make hay out of the Democratic divide by using moments from Hillary's campaign to attack Obama. And I suppose you and yours will fall right into line and insist that Hillary did terrible damage to Obama. Bullshit. This long primary has strengthened both Obama and the Democratic Party.

Or maybe you just don't feel Obama needs that half of the Democratic primary who voted for Hillary to win the presidency? New coalitions and all that.

The notion that Obama didn't run a hard-nosed campaign that took advantage at every turn of the media's hatred for the Clintons is quite simply nonsense. Okay, that's politics. I'm glad that someone with his smarts and his willingness to do battle will be our standard bearer.

It was Clinton's burden to find away around the media hostility and she couldn't. But the notion that it was Hillary who committed unpardonable sins because she actually ran for nomination as if she thought she was the better choice is precisely what makes so many of us women crazy.

There was nothing ungracious about her speech yesterday; it was one of the best I've ever heard her give. Please also note that whenever she mentioned Obama's name, there were cheers, not boos. That some of her voters chanted Denver for a moment is some kind of horror, that she should have scolded them - why, for heaven's sake?

This wasn't like any other primary we've seen; it was as close to a tie as anyone has ever seen. That is not to say that Obama isn't a legitimate candidate now. All of my friends who voted for Clinton saw that speech as her concluding her campaign, but in a way that acknowledged what she and her campaign and her supporters, i.e., voters, had accomplished. Remember, hers is also an historic campaign. She didn't concede, but she didn't say she was fighting on. She said that what she wanted was to make sure that the voters and issues she feels she represents are adequately represented in the GE, even while she also acknowledged that the time for unity was upon us. There was nothing inconsistent about saying that and endorsing and campaigning for Obama.

Also, I guess none of you noticed that Hillary and Obama gave almost the same speech in terms of the principles and policies noted. Both were superb speeches, speeches that no Republican could have given.

Gregor, do you have a single piece of actual evidence for your charge?

My condolences to the other commentators here who tried to introduce some sort of perspective into this thread.

A final note to Ezra; try a thought experiment; think of an intelligent, progressive/liberal female supporter of Clinton; maybe Molly Ivors at Whiskey Fire. of Susie at Suburban Guerrilla, try imagine one of them reading your post and the majority of the comments above? What would their likely response be?

Ultimately what none of you Hillary-haters seem to realize is that you are insulting about one half of the Democratic primary electorate.

Apparently Joe Klein's inanity is taking a toll on his conscience. Scribes wasted a fair amount of ink on both Hart and to a lesser extent Jackson. Much of it on would they be the VP choice. If JK's c wasn't alive during the 80's he should have checked Lexis/Nexis to avoid making an ass out of himself.

I actually agree with Leah. I've been wondering what speech some of the others watched. It seemed pretty clear that she knows this is over. She's nor insane. She can lose her committee assignments. She could even lose her seat if she pisses off enough people in Albany, Scenectady and NYC.

On the other hand, Leah is kind of worng too. Hillary's unpardonable sins are many at this point, but running for the nomination isn't one of them. Nobody hates her for running. People hate her for her massive amounts of disrespect she's shown Obama and those of us who support him. I know that, as a woman, you read a lot into some of the things that have been said. Is it really shocking to you that some black Americans might not read a bit into the way she has acted and the way she's refused to believe that Obama could beat her? Any chance you might accept that some younger people, who experience condescension and disrespect from our so-called 'elders' might take offense to it at well? Do you know how often I've been called 'boy' or 'kid' by you people? Try looking at it from someone else's perspective as well as your own.

I'm an Obama supporter, but I think some Obama supporters have gotten a bit out of line. Obama won because he won a string of contests in February and gained a narrow lead.

Despite winning all these contests he gained no momentum, losing big primaries in states with demographics similar to the country as a whole. It bothered me that he did so poorly in Ohio. On the other hand I was pleased with Indiana:).

But even after it was clear he had won, he simply did not build any momentum. At one time we were told it would be all over after Oregon. But then on the last day of the primary, on the day he would (finally) claim the nomination, he lost another state, one he was supposed to win.

I think (hope) Obama can win this fall, but I don't think it is going to be a blowout. What bothers me is I switched from Edwards to Obama back in December because I believed that Obama would be stronger against any of the Republicans. Now I am not so sure.

So we Obama supporters should note that this race was much closer that any of the other recent Democratic primaries. Too close really. Obama simply did not crush Clinton, he won a technical victory and so we want Clinton to concede to solidify his victory.

Had the show been on the other foot, I think we would be bitter and not enthusiastic about bolstering the other sides victory.

I think in time, as the rest of the supers go for Obama and a new meme gets bandied about, that even if MI and FL had been seated in full, Clinton would still have lost, Clinton will start to look a little ridiculous, a deal will be struck, and she will concede before the convention.

I think, at this point, the only thing to do is for everyone who is rooted in the reality that Obama is the nominess, regardless of who we supported or didn't, to send a loud clear message to Ms. Clinton. The way to do this in a way that will get through to her, is for everyone who has a stake in winning in November to start making very loud chatter about who to run against her for her senate seat in the next NY senate election if she doesn't stand down now. I honestly believe that only a threat to her remaining power will make her stop.

LOL, Josh; yeah throw more grease on that fire...good job!

Spot on , Leah. Spot on. But these Obamabots seem to be dead set on alienating Clinton supporters.

Oh well. At least the pressure is off for the summer.

Future wonks will note the petulant ADD of the media and web elites who demand fealty to Obama and contrition from all those millions who wanted Clinton.

Kos and his bullies think their sites can survive without HRC supporters, but America isn't a blog. And to treat the HRC voters with such contempt is kinda stupid. But then, I've seen the whole phony progressives explode over Obama/Clinton, with nobody looking their best. Ugh.

sotrite you are a sack of shit who deserves no respect

To any non assclown Obama supporter who is feeling disrespected, go out and earn it. You are already halfway there.

I look forward to a joint Ezra/Jesse post in the near future (cross-posted or whatever) inviting all of us to a BBQ on the Mall, or some other public space to see and get to know each other.

I'll make the trip, and I live in Seattle.

Sort of joking, sort of not. It would either be the best ever, or provide material for so many blogposts that it would all work out.

They could even call it "Pandacon"!

soullite,

Although you are probably long gone from this thread, I'm leaving this comment because I don't want anyone, especially you, to think that I don't take your question seriously.

It would never occur to me to lecture African-Americans on what they ought or ought not to feel. I don't believe that either Bill or Hillary Clinton deliberately set out to "play the race card," and I don't think that Senator Clinton was disrespectful of Senator Obama. I do realize that such became one of the narratives of the campaign. That doesn't mean there weren't unfortunate moments when offense could have been taken. Nor would I ever seek to defend the remarks of Geraldine Ferraro, especially in her recent op ed in the Wall Street Journal. And since I worked in Jessie Jackson's campaign for President, I didn't think Bill Clinton's off-hand reference to Jessie's win in South Carolina, in dealing with a reporter who was clearly seeking to bait Clinton, was some kind of coded attempt to make Obama in "the black candidate." And BTW, Jessie didn't run as a race candidate, either, that was the whole point of the rainbow coalition.

Nor was it racist, or playing to racism for Hillary to think that she would make the better President.

I was originally an Edwards' supporter, because I thought he was the most liberal/progressive of the three major candidates. He suspended his campaign before I could vote for him.

Left with the choice of Obama or Clinton, who would be the better President wasn't the criteria. I thought both Senators would be good Presidents, if in different ways. I voted for Obama because I thought he would be the better candidate.

Hillary is absolutely power hungry. She would not stay in it just to win it, but rather to use it, to run it. For Hillary, the Vice Presidency would become a Co-Presidency, splitting the power more or less equally with Barack. Our Constitution does not permit such a split in Presidential power. And it has proven disastrous as practiced in the Bush Administration, with Dick Cheney the "War President", and George Bush the "Caretaker President". Imagine Hillary Clinton in Dick Cheney's role! Just imagine.

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