DEBATE LIVEBLOGGING.
10:30: Debate done. I'll write a bit more when I've had time to digest, but for now, Palin turned in a genuinely competent performance, and Biden turned in a superlative one. His performance tonight was the best I've seen from any candidate in this election, including the primaries. Just a superb job. I'm a bad barometer for middle America, but tonight seemed a clear win for him and his ticket.
10:28: Seems that Palin kept talking about General McLellan when she meant General McKiernan. That's the sort of thing that might stick. Meanwhile, Palin says she loved being able to get up here and answer these tough questions without the "filter of the mainstream media." Weird that she used her closing statement so defensively. But whatever: Good for her. She should give up on politics and get a talkshow. Otherwise, she should learn how to answer the press's questions.
10:24: Biden rips into McCain with what looked like a pre-canned assault on McCain's maverickyness. Interesting approach: The argument is not that McCain has not been a maverick, but that he's not been one on issues that matter to the American people: On the economy and health care and education and Iraq and heating oil. You'll notice that there's been just about no attempt tonight to bring up the McCain-Bush voting record. "More of the same" has not been a theme.
10:21: Biden just teared up when he said he knows what it's like when you have a child and you're not sure they'll make it. Palin just declared the John McCain "the consummate maverick" and then said "he's the man we need to leave."
10:18: Apparently the governor of one of America's two non-contiguous state's primary qualification for the job is her connection to "the Heartland of America." The mind reels.
10:17: Hoisted from McGibbs in comments: "I know I'm late to this, watching on TIVO several minutes behind, but... 'Henry Kissenger, and his passion for diplomacy' That's a classic! It's like his hobby -- he's one of those quirky folks who love crocheting seahorses, or something."
10:14: It's really much more interesting watching these two debate than seeing McCain and Obama go at it. That may be because the stakes are far lower, but either way. This is good TV.
10:11: "Say-it-aint-so-Joe-there-you-go-again!" It's like she couldn't pick which catch phrase to use, so she just attached a couple to each other. Then she winked. I'm serious. Satire is dead. Only deadpan reenactment is up to the task.
10:07: "John McCain knows how to win a war," says Sarah Palin. I'm not one to question John McCain's military service, but suffice to say he had a non-winning record carried out amidst war we lost. Dude's not the nation's leading war-winner by any means.
10:03 Sarah-Palin-as-Tina-Fey-as-Sarah-Palin says "it's just so clear I'm a Washington outsider" then she tilts her head and smiles and shrugs and accuses Joe Biden of being "for it before being against it" and says "the American people are craving some of that straight talk." With Palin, we have left the age when satire ruled comedy and entered a period in which reenactment reigns supreme.
10:02: Joe Biden says that controlling nuclear weapons requires a global nuclear nonproliferation regime. And McCain has been against the construction of these regimes. Against these treaties. I doubt this point will move the little line thing on CNN, but it's hugely important, and evidence of the true chasm in foreign policy vision that separates the campaigns. People should read their Joe Cirincione on this topic.
9:57: Boy do American politicians love Israel.
9:55: Sarah Palin just took us on a one-way trip to Platitude-Land. You sort of forget how much of sounding knowledgeable on foreign policy is about larding your answers with vaguely related facts and names. Palin doesn't have that knowledge, so she ends up with time to fill, and platitudes are the poor man's facts. But when she's gone on for a minute or two and ceased mentioning the countries in question, it looks a little odd.
9:52 "No one in the United States Senate has been a better friend to Israel than Joe Biden," says Joe Biden.
9:52: Like John McCain, Sarah Palin is firmly against a second Holocaust. The silence of the Obama/Biden ticket on this issue is deafening.
9:47: Joe Biden is really incredibly authoritative on foreign policy. Much better than Obama. And he's keeping his temper under control.
9:43: Palin says the Obama/Biden Iraq plan is a "white flag of surrender." We'll know we can leave Iraq, she says, when the government can rule and protect its people. And we'll know when that is when our commanders tell us. In other words, all strategic decisions about force deployment are outsourced to General Ray Odierno. It sounds okay rhetorically, but it's a tremendously odd conception of the relationship between civil leadership and the military.
9:35: To hear Sarah Palin tell it, McCain and Palin are locked in some sort of death feud with the oil companies. Which makes this information from Open Secrets, which scrutinizes campaign contributions, pretty odd:
If McCain and Palin hate oil companies so much, how come oil companies seem to love them? Do they just think they're being coy about their true feelings?
9:30: I find it really disconcerting when Sarah Palin looks like Tina Fey playing Sarah Palin. Meanwhile, Palin is saying her expertise is energy. So I guess I'll link to this post and repost this graph:
9:23: The nice thing, says Palin, about running with John McCain is he doesn't say one thing to one audience and another to the next. Funny to mention that right after health care. When talking to the public, McCain and Palin both say that their health plan is budget neutral, which would mean it raises payroll taxes by treating employer-based insurance as compensation.She said it tonight, actually. That's how you raise $3.6 trillion for a $5,000 tax credit. When talking to the Tax Policy Center, they say it wouldn't do that, and their plan blows a $1.3 trillion hole in the budget instead. Maybe the Tax Policy Center doesn't count as an "audience?"
9:21: I don't know how this is playing in "real America," but Joe Biden just offered the most lucid and concise demolition of McCain's health care plan that I've heard. He hit the taxation of employer benefits, the fact that 20 million would lose their health coverage, the failures of the individual market, and all the rest. It was beautiful put.
9:18: She just accused Barack Obama of "mandating" health coverage. And my head just exploded. Shame, that, because I liked having my head.
9:17: I'm getting a Joe Biden pillowcase. Rather than dodging the idea that the rich will pay more under his tax plan, he defends it on ground of fairness.
9:11: I think Palin just said the recession is an opportunity to learn some "darn good lessons." Cause economic downturns build character!
9:09: Sarah Palin says "I do respect your years in the Senate but I think the American people are craving something new and different." And by new and different, she means:
9:07: Also, why doesn't Palin like any American sports. Hockey? Soccer? If a Democrat were trying to demonstrate authenticity, they really couldn't get away with a Canadian sport and a European obsession.
9:05: If "folksy" is part of your Palin drinking game, tonight is going to be a rough night. Palin's method for judging the economy is apparently a random sampling of parents at their children's soccer games. We're about two minutes in.
9:01: Is it weird that I'm actually excited for this debate because I love watching Joe Biden talk?
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COMMENTS (70)
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Posted by: gunter | October 2, 2008 9:07 PM
Prediction: 4th Debate question will be . . .
How many copies to the both of you plan to buy of my forthcoming book Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama.
Posted by: Kevin S. Willis | October 2, 2008 9:08 PM
Fuck, I'm already buzzed.
Posted by: Fleeb | October 2, 2008 9:16 PM
Should have been a question mark in that last post.
I like Biden a lot. And he he's great at speaking. I'm still swooning for Palin.
Immediately, I'm much more pleased with Palin than I was with McLame.
Gwen Ifill, not so much. Gwen Ifill is no Jim Lehrer. That's all I'm saying.
Posted by: Kevin S. Willis | October 2, 2008 9:16 PM
So far, it's going how I figured: Palin looks OK, perhaps good enough to rehab her viability as a Republican leader of the future. But it isn't enough to help McCain any.
Posted by: kth | October 2, 2008 9:20 PM
Hey! It's actually a debate. During the Obama/McCain debate, it sometimes didn't seem like they were in the same room.
Gwen Ifill is kind of snippy to both of them.
Posted by: Kevin S. Willis | October 2, 2008 9:27 PM
Ack. John McCain has made her drink the global warming kool-aid. I feel my ardor fading.
Posted by: Kevin S. Willis | October 2, 2008 9:32 PM
It's kind of sad but gwen ifill is terrible. She does not ask follow up questions, allowing Palin to not answer questions and just recite talking points.
She is turning this into draw by not having to answer the questions.
This is not even a debate.
Posted by: jeff | October 2, 2008 9:32 PM
I think this global warming question (at about 9:31 ET) is the first that Palin has answered as asked.
Posted by: Aaron S. Veenstra | October 2, 2008 9:33 PM
She accuses them of not answering questions, tho. And then goes on to the next question they won't answer.
Posted by: Kevin S. Willis | October 2, 2008 9:34 PM
I'm so gosh darned proud to be running with John McCain.
In a world gone insolvent, an unstoppable force travels from our past to destroy our future. He is . . . The Deregulator.
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He's the host of America’s least favorite reality game show: Drop the Regulations!
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Posted by: dk | October 2, 2008 9:34 PM
I'm not a bigot! I have gay friends!
Posted by: Sarah Palin | October 2, 2008 9:38 PM
Sarah and Joe Biden both like gay people, but don't want them to get married, but want them to have the same civil rights as anybody else.
I thought I saw a little spark between them, right there. There's some chemistry. A little sexual tension in the room. Palin is a saucy little firebrand of a conservative, and Joe Biden is robust liberal with a full head of luxurious hair. Together, they just might make beautiful music together.
But what to do about their respective running mates? That's the question.
Posted by: Kevin S. Willis | October 2, 2008 9:42 PM
This is terrible. Ifill did not even press her on Biden's question on civil distictions on marriage. Palin just chose to answer as she pleased and ifill respnded "you agree."
There is no accountability in this debate. No follow up.
Posted by: jeff | October 2, 2008 9:46 PM
Oil companies only love Obama half as much as they love McCain.
Joe Biden's eyebrows don't move. I think someone's been hitting the Botox.
Posted by: Kevin S. Willis | October 2, 2008 9:51 PM
I'm pleased with Palins performance so far. I think Biden is doing a good job, too.
Gwen Awful is living up to her name, IMHO. But at least everyone at the debate will get pre-order their copy of Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama.
Posted by: Kevin S. Willis | October 2, 2008 9:54 PM
Like John McCain, Sarah Palin is firmly against a second Holocaust. The silence of the Obama/Biden ticket on this issue is deafening.
That's because Obama wants a new holocaust. A Red State, White Cracker Holocaust.
It's true. I read it on a blog somewhere.
Posted by: Kevin S. Willis | October 2, 2008 9:56 PM
Nucular, nucular. No cue cards with phonetic spelling tonight!!
Posted by: anne a | October 2, 2008 9:58 PM
Can we talk about Afghanistan, please? Because I have some talking points that just popped into my head and I'm gonna forget 'em if I don't spit 'em out right now.
Posted by: Sarah Palin | October 2, 2008 9:58 PM
She's no worse than Lehrer was a week ago, though I wish there was more follow-up and more focus (from Ifill and from Lehrer).
Posted by: kth | October 2, 2008 10:00 PM
Which war has John McCain won? Vietnam? Iraq?
Posted by: anne a | October 2, 2008 10:08 PM
ok, that last question about how would a Biden/Palin admin differ from Obama/McCain was really lame. I don't get the point of it at all.
Posted by: kth | October 2, 2008 10:09 PM
I know I'm late to this, watching on TIVO several minutes behind, but... "Henry Kissenger, and his passion for diplomacy" That's a classic! It's like his hobby -- he's one of those quirky folks who love crocheting seahorses, or something.
Posted by: mcgibbs | October 2, 2008 10:13 PM
I've noticed now 2 examples of Sarah Palin stealing Reagan quotes verbatim. Earlier "gov't is not the solution, etc." and just now, "there you go again." Did I miss any?
Posted by: drjimcooper | October 2, 2008 10:13 PM
Palin won . . . my heart. Sigh.
I'll leave it to the pundits to decide who won the debate. I think they both did really well, where as my opinion of McCain's debate performance continues to decline.
Posted by: Kevin S. Willis | October 2, 2008 10:17 PM
Bedtime for me. Gotta put kids, then self, into sleep mode. Gonna have to miss the follow up punditry, sadly. Check you all out in the AM, fellow patriots.
Posted by: Kevin S. Willis | October 2, 2008 10:20 PM
Well, now she's quoted Regan by name. Sigh.
"Governor Palin, I knew President Reagan. And you, madam, are no Reagan."
Posted by: Danny | October 2, 2008 10:21 PM
that's right Sarah, McCain is the man we need to LEAVE
Posted by: christine | October 2, 2008 10:24 PM
I just want to point out that when Ronald Reagan called America a "City on a Hill" (1989), he was stealing a line from Mario Cuomo who used it in the keynote address to the Democratic Convention in 1984.
Posted by: pfc | October 2, 2008 10:24 PM
She doesn't seem to know the difference between changing your mind and compromising.
Posted by: calling all toasters | October 2, 2008 10:27 PM
Shallow question, but: Why is SP wearing a squiggle flag umlaut pin?
(Also, this is my first comments, so hi! *waves*)
Posted by: A Sarah | October 2, 2008 10:28 PM
""More of the same" has not been a theme."
Wasn't it though when Biden said that he hadn't heard how McCain would be difficult on Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iran?
Posted by: Josh R. | October 2, 2008 10:30 PM
Interesting: anytime Palin says anything that remotely sounds like more war, CNN's line graph dips.
Posted by: kth | October 2, 2008 10:32 PM
Sarah Palin talks like a stewardess, with her emphasis on unimportant words like to, for, of. It drives me crazy when stewardesses do it, and it's just as irritating when she does it.
Posted by: Cardinal Fang | October 2, 2008 10:41 PM
All the commenters thought she did great. These people are fucking clueless.
They are so desperate to get McCain back in this game that they are not even watching with anything resembling objectivity. She was a 90-minute train wreck. I am convinced that she doens't even know what she said for 44 of her 45 minutes.
She can't discuss politics as intelligently as the average 40-something woman I work with. She's a fucking joke.
Posted by: brewmn | October 2, 2008 10:43 PM
A strange choice of moderator. Why did they get the Michelin man to run this debate?
Posted by: Herschel | October 2, 2008 10:45 PM
"Like John McCain, Sarah Palin is firmly against a second Holocaust. The silence of the Obama/Biden ticket on this issue is deafening."
Well, would you rather they disagree?
Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2008 10:48 PM
Has anyone else noticed?:
Sarah Palin made a few similar remarks here -- on global warming, she says "it doesn't matter what caused it"; she repeatedly scolded Biden for "pointing fingers" at the Bush administration -- and then saying that only moving forward matters.
The message here seems to be: to move into the future, we have to completely forget about the past.
Posted by: Brian Rose | October 2, 2008 10:58 PM
It was getting to the point that if she had said the word "also" one more time, I was going to throw something at my tv.
Posted by: peej | October 2, 2008 11:23 PM
i just came home from watching this debate at our headquarters with 250 people.
i expect that the obama campaign will report 10 million dollars worth of contributions coming in to them this evening!
there was a stampede to the volunteer signup sheets at the end of the debate.
people were stunned by her this evening!
my daughter watched this with three hundred students tonight, and said you could barely hear the debate, as the laughter was so uncontained at sarah palin's responses.
by the way, i thought joe biden was brilliant this evening. what a wonderful choice.
Posted by: jacqueline | October 2, 2008 11:24 PM
jacqueline, I agree.
Joe Biden was utterly brilliant. Despite Palin's snideness, rudeness, and thundering stupidity, he never attacked her. Wise move.
He did, however, command the debate, and he was a class act.
Palin has no class whatsoever. What a disgrace. And what an insult to women everywhere who can cite SCOTUS case law, who not only know what the Founding Fathers wrote (and you don't "tap into" what the Founding Fathers wrote, fer Chrissakes), but can recite whole amendments just because we love the Constitution that much and have actually bloody read it.
I'm so glad it's a school night, or I'd have been tempted to join the many drinking parties going on around the blogosphere.
Posted by: litbrit | October 2, 2008 11:36 PM
I think a really overlooked part of the debate was the horribly callous, offhand comment Palin made about Biden's wife getting "her reward in heaven." Yes, heaven is great. That's where we religious folks hope to go, and like to think our family members go, because we like to think we're good people. But we never talk about heaven as a 'reward.' If you're in heaven, you're dead. That is pretty objectively a bad thing. Talking about heaven is something said to console the grieving, not to highlight someone's life. Certainly not to their spouse, who very much wishes, at that moment, that they were there rather than in heaven.
It reeks of Otto von Bismarck ordering a cannonade against civilians because he was christian and believed they would be rewarded for their innocence in the afterlife. The afterlife isn't what's important, especially for those who survive. If someone said that to me about my wife, regardless of how public it was or how many cameras were aimed at me, I would strangle them.
Kudos to Biden for keeping his cool.
Posted by: Fnor | October 2, 2008 11:49 PM
Yes, he was cool. "The Bosniacs..." was my favorite of his gaffes.
Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2008 11:57 PM
fnor
i agree completely....and also recoiled
when i heard her utter that comment about mrs. biden.
when i watch sarah palin, and especially tonight, i feel like i am watching a sitcom,"reba goes to washington."...
i keep thinking i am looking at reba mcintyre, with dark hair.
wisecrackin' lines, perky shoutouts to the delighted third graders in wasila ,winkin' to the husband who looks like he is right out of central casting,the same level of intelligence as a recycled sitcom....i keep waiting for the laughter and recurring theme song.
the horror of it, is that we are in the midst of our worst economic crisis, wars, global warming....and she could actually become our vice president, and more terrifyingly, our president.
it is just unbelievable.
sarah,todd and those cute palin kids just need their own wassila reality show...america is sad and troubled...we need a new brady bunch.... decoratin' the christmas tree by the stuffed mountain lion in grandma's den, snowmobeelin and watchin' todd and sara makin' mooseburgers...and a christmas show, with snowflakes fallin' on the lake, plane and boat outside the big window.
how did she miss her true calling, and wander dangerously into the world of politics?????
what was it again that hamlet said in the first act?
Posted by: jacqueline | October 3, 2008 12:02 AM
"I'm a bad barometer for middle America."
Finally, I agree with you. Brainwashed Obama supporters following like sheep to the slaughter.
Posted by: janet | October 3, 2008 12:08 AM
"i thought there was a little spark between them."
i dont think there was any spark at all.
i think that biden did everything he could to deliver the most resounding repudiation of john mccain's policies that he could...and he didnt lose his focus, not for one moment of the debate.
he performed as if the fate of the country depended on that debate, and in part, it did.
and he delivered.
thank you!!!:-)
Posted by: jacqueline | October 3, 2008 12:15 AM
Got another look at the part where Palin reprimanded Biden for "pointing fingers" and "looking into the past"... turns out she immediately said afterword "I'll learn from [Bush's] blunders".
So, maybe not as philosophical as I initally thought, but still -- a stone's throw away from calling Biden a "negative nily".
Belittling the blunders of the Bush years in comparing it to other Preidencies -- now that's unsettling...
Posted by: Brian Rose | October 3, 2008 12:22 AM
We are all dumber for having watched that debate. Sarah Palin is more effective than alcohol at killing braincells. I'm amazed I am still able to move about after that disgrace of a debate. At least Joe managed to keep it together while in the presence of such wretched stupidity.
Posted by: Akraw | October 3, 2008 12:22 AM
Palin speaking to Biden: "I have great respect for your family also and the honor that you show our military. Barack Obama though, another story there."
Can we finally admit that the Republicans are questioning Obama's patriotism?
Also:
1) She started with fear about the economy, and ended with fear about losing our freedom (to whom was unclear). Maybe that's working for undecided voters, but I found it depressing and decidedly un-Reagan-like.
2) She has latched onto McCain's theory that all of our problems are due to moral failings that the government must correct. Not institutional failings, not bad incentives (for lenders who could offload bad credit risks into securities) or lack of accountability (for credit rating agencies that issue poorly-researched ratings and say they have no responsibility, they're just stating an opinion). No, it's greed and corruption, and apparently McCain/ Palin can make Wall Streeters into angels, just like McCain-Feingold was mysteriously going to do for politicians.
George Will has been annoyed by this self-righteous tendency in McCain for a long time, and McCain's cockamamie rhetoric about the economic crisis is making me understand why.
Posted by: PG | October 3, 2008 12:24 AM
"The Bosniacs..." was my favorite of his gaffes.
It's usually spelled "Bosniak", and was hardly a "gaffe". I'd say it's a gaffe to call it a gaffe. What a maroon.
Posted by: Herschel | October 3, 2008 12:27 AM
Yes, Bosniaks is the term for Bosnian Muslims.
A BosniaN is someone from the state of Bosnia.
A BosniaK is an ethnic group consisting of slavic Muslims who are citizens of Bosnia.
Posted by: Andrew | October 3, 2008 12:39 AM
I wanna see Ezra debate Michelle Malkin.
Posted by: Adam | October 3, 2008 12:40 AM
we have left the age when satire ruled comedy and entered a period in which reenactment reigns supreme.
I was thinking that as Palin was saying her lines. Actually I think Palin could be a fairly good comedy actress, since she says her lines with enough emotional delivery to be almost believable.
The trailer for the new "W" movie from O. Stone had me thinking just your thought, since Tina Fey showed that literal recitation can be better than the real thing.
I made a tour just now of some dozens of online polls from media (dKos diary with links), and guess which two polls didn't follow the general opinion of 70% or above for Biden:
Drudge
AOL online
The CO newspapers were all over 90% Biden. Same in OH.
Joe Biden did GOOD. Palin didn't fall on her face.
Posted by: JimPortlandOR | October 3, 2008 12:41 AM
I just want to point out that when Ronald Reagan called America a "City on a Hill" (1989), he was stealing a line from Mario Cuomo who used it in the keynote address to the Democratic Convention in 1984.
Stupid liberal blog commenters. Don't you remember what Cuomo said about the city on a hill? I quote:
"Ten days ago, President Reagan admitted that although some people in this country seemed to be doing well nowadays, others were unhappy, even worried, about themselves, their families, and their futures. The President said that he didn't understand that fear. He said, "Why, this country is a shining city on a hill." And the President is right. In many ways we are a shining city on a hill."
So no, Cuomo was quoting Reagan.
Posted by: Asher | October 3, 2008 1:23 AM
I think a really overlooked part of the debate was the horribly callous, offhand comment Palin made about Biden's wife getting "her reward in heaven." Yes, heaven is great. That's where we religious folks hope to go, and like to think our family members go, because we like to think we're good people. But we never talk about heaven as a 'reward.' If you're in heaven, you're dead. That is pretty objectively a bad thing. Talking about heaven is something said to console the grieving, not to highlight someone's life. Certainly not to their spouse, who very much wishes, at that moment, that they were there rather than in heaven.
Another dummy. She's talking about Jill Biden, the living wife. Who's taught for 30 years.
Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 1:27 AM
Yes, but it's still callous to Biden, WHOSE FIRST WIFE DIED IN A HORRIBLE ACCIDENT THAT ALSO KILLED HIS DAUGHTER AND INJURED HIS SONS, to talk about even his second wife getting her reward in heaven. Why not stick to talking about the policies that will reward people like her on earth?
Referring to Biden's wife, even his second wife, being dead when it is completely unnecessary, would be like Biden's bringing the issue of teen pregnancy up with regard to problems in schools or the difficulties faced by everyday families -- just don't go there.
Except it's merely embarrassing for your teen daughter to be knocked up, whereas it's a life-changing loss for your wife and daughter to die.
Posted by: PG | October 3, 2008 1:36 AM
Palin = disaster, but goddammit Ezra there are lots of Americans who like ice hockey, not just foreigners like Canadians.
Posted by: Anon. | October 3, 2008 2:03 AM
She's talking about Jill Biden, the living wife. Who's taught for 30 years.
Basically, Palin just handed all the teachers' votes to Obama right then and there. "Her reward's in heaven" sounds really condescending.
That quote is a bible reference whose whole context is from Matthew 5:11-12: "Blessed are you when men revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so men persecuted the prophets who were before you."
Thought a lot of the New Testament, there is a comparison drawn between "Earthly rewards" and "rewards in heaven" and that we should shun earthly treasures for "treasures in heaven." For Palin to say this sounds like a patronizing, "how nice it is that you have a low-paid job so you can have rewards in heaven. I wish I could do that, but, you know, I decided to go for the money. But good for you."
Posted by: Tyro | October 3, 2008 2:13 AM
So no, Cuomo was quoting Reagan.
They were both quoting JFK, who was quoting John Winthrop, Governor of Massachusetts Bay Colony.
Posted by: Davis X. Machina | October 3, 2008 2:35 AM
Did anyone else catch how Biden misspoke, saying "John continues to tell us that the central war in the front on terror is in Iraq," and then Palin took that mis-phrasing and used it twice:
"And as for who coined that central war on terror being in Iraq, it was the Gen. Petraeus and al Qaeda, both leaders there and it's probably the only thing that they're ever going to agree on, but that it was a central war on terror is in Iraq."
(video here confirms the quote at 43:55, except it sounds like "termed" instead of "coined," and no "the" before "General Petraeus")
Posted by: Blar | October 3, 2008 2:36 AM
Wouldn't it be nice if teachers got their reward when they picked up their paychecks instead of waiting until they got to heaven?
But that can't happen when, as Biden said, the No Child Left Behind got left behind because the money got left behind (I paraphrase).
Biden was controlled, gentlemanly and intelligent. Palin pales as a statesperson, diplomat and knowledgeable politician next to Joe Biden.
Posted by: suzysnoflake | October 3, 2008 3:47 AM
"So no, Cuomo was quoting Reagan.
They were both quoting JFK, who was quoting John Winthrop, Governor of Massachusetts Bay Colony.
Davis X. Machina"
Who was quoting Matthew 5:14.
Oh, and Matthew was quoting Jesus Christ. Which Sarah should have known, you betcha.
Posted by: Katie Scarlett | October 3, 2008 10:37 AM
The statement of McLellan rather than McKiernan was a simple mistake. In fact, Keith Olbermann made a huge deal about this and made several simple mistakes in the process of explaining who General McKiernan is. Olbermann stated "We don't really know who McClellan is supposed to have been. The general in charge of-working under Centcom commander General David Petraeus, the top NATO commander in Afghanistan, is General David McKiernan." You can find this quote in his show transcript at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27008749/
GEN McKiernan is the NATO/ISAF Commanding General, but he does not work for US Centcom. The Centcom/OEF forces are only a small slice of the forces in Afghanistan and the NATO/ISAF Command does not fall under Centcom or GEN Petraeus.
So what does this mean? While I generally think Keith is a blowhard, it's not because he made this small mistake in understanding the chain of command in the Afghan theater. I submit it has the same gravity as Gov Palin's mistatement of "McLellan", which is none.
Posted by: Bob | October 4, 2008 2:30 AM
"Joe Biden is really incredibly authoritative on foreign policy."
When did we kick Hezbollah out of Lebanon, again?
Obviously he's miles ahead of Palin on these issues, but if this is the best we've got ... oy.
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