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"THAT ONE.

If this debate had "a moment," it was surely McCain's tone-deaf dismissal of Obama as "that one."

Brain Beutler says, "Somebody needs to mention that this is a singular rendering of the phrase 'Those people!'" Okay: "That one" is the singular of "those people." Meanwhile, Ambinder has an explanation of sorts: "McCain uses 'that one' frequently in his stump speeches; the set-up is usually clearer, as McCain refers to Obama's being one of the senators who supported it, not McCain -- as in, if you had to guess who supported the Bush-Cheney '05 energy bill, it's that senator, not this senator. But it came off awkwardly on stage tonight."

I didn't think the moment came off as racist. Rather, it was tone deaf. It was Grandpa Simpson. It was cranky. Which fits it into a narrative connecting the first two debates. In both, McCain's most memorable tics were exhibitions of contempt for Barack Obama. in the first encounter, he couldn't bear to look at Obama, and he used "What Senator Obama doesn't understand" the way other people use "um." In the second, he dismissed him in the language a busy mother uses for her third child, as if he couldn't be bothered to recall the youngster's name. But the youngster is the leading candidate for President of the United States. And McCain is doing himself no favors by acting unable to treat his opponent with respect. It's bad form in general, but it's particularly unhelpful for McCain, who has put a lot of energy and political capital into developing a reputation as respectful towards his political competitors.



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I thought the most tone-deaf moments were when John McCain asked Obama he liked watermelon and fried chicken. Then when he asked Barack to end the evening singing one of those "old spirituals and you people like so much", that was really uncomfortable.

Fortunately, McCain didn't challenge Obama to a freestyle rap competition like he did last time. It ended the only way it could have ended: in tears.

I like how McCain says he knows how to catch Bin Laden but ain't sharing it with us unless he gets elected.

Country First or CUNTRY First.

The "that one" moment was just icky, as if McCain couldn't bear to pronounce Obama's name. The snide tone with which he pronounced it was completely unpresidential.

Racist--probably not.
Contemptuous--definitely.

It is too bad that John McCain has given up claim to all reasonable doubt. He could use some and may even deserve some in this instance.

Correction: McCain has spent no time "...put(ting) a lot of energy and political capital into developing a reputation as respectful towards his political competitors."

That is just factually inaccurate. Not only has he spent more time ridiculing and demonizing his political opponents, he has a reputation of attacking and assaulting his colleagues. It needs to stop. Until he behaves like and adult, stop pretending.

Marc Ambinder is a chickenshit apologista for anyone that opposes Barack Obama. His website is simply a forum for posting campaign attacks and irrelevant inside baseball crapola.

Just because John McCain has been a vile, rude old bastard in the past doesn't excuse him for doing it again tonight.

McCain is running a disgusting, hate-spewing campaign and will go down in history as a big time loser who sold his soul to the Bush/Rove wing of the Republican Party.

The only thing left to decide is whether history remembers McCain as a the man who got blown out by Barack Obama, or as the man who was quite possibly the worst pilot the Navy ever knew.

Beutler's and assclown

McCain is dismissive of Obama not because he is black but because he stands in the way of McCain and the precious.
Not every jabbed is some kind of racial coded dog whistle and some progressive need to stop pretending that is the case when it comes to "The One."

As is my custom by now, I've analyzed the words used by the speakers in the latest US presidential debate. I provide a bubble graph visualizing length of words, sentences and speech. I also investigated a gut feeling that there was something odd about the distribution of thanks between the different players (bar chart). Finally, improved "word couds" for every speaker (this time including all meaningful words). See and read about it at my Word Face-Off blog.

Of course, there is already a That One logo...

McCain is kind of a douche.

ThatOne might be a play on The One, the nickname of the right for Obama, or one of them. McCain is strangely juvenile for such an old man.He comes across as both older and younger than Obama.

What TBone said...McCain has a reputation for being just as disagreeable to those in his own party as to his opponents. That's why he's popular among people who "hate politicians."

I agree with Ezra here. When McCain said "that one" he reminded me of my dear, departed father-in-law, who used the same kind of phrasing to discuss people who he didn't like and didn't respect enough to bother learning or remembering their names. It was pure old-mannishness - he might as well have been complaining about "those darned kids." Please someone put the man out of his misery...

I like how McCain says he knows how to catch Bin Laden but ain't sharing it with us unless he gets elected.

I've had a look at the plan. It involves a really big net, and a steaming plate of falafel.

Another plan being considered was authored by none other than Freddie Jones of Mystery, Inc. McCain has bought into the plan, and it's likely to go forward if he's elected president.

First, a large dog dressed like Jesus Christ and carrying an American flag will be enticed to run around in front of Bin Ladin via the use of Scooby Snacks. Then, when Bin Ladin gives chase, the dog will lead him into an old warehouse, where the floor has been covered with axel grease. This will make Bin Ladin slip, and slide inexorably towards a washing machine that is wired up to several car batteries and is place precariously on a catapult. He will fall into the washing machine, which will begin spinning him around, as the catapult fires and sends Bin Ladin, in the washing machine, hurtling inro a large net stretched across the ceiling. When the washing machine hits the net, Bin Ladin will be dumped out, very dizzy and unable to escape, while several bucks of quick setting glue are poured down on to him, holding him into place. Finally, Velma Dinkley will walk up, remove Bin Ladin's turban, and reveal him to be the old caretaker, Mr. Jenkins, who had just been trying to scare America way because he'd found oil on the old Afghanistan Place.

And he would have gotten away with it, too, if it happen been for those darn kids. And your darn president McCain.

Perhaps it is because I keep my gaydar bright and shiney, but coded putdowns (in any radio frequency) always light up my scope.

I had one of those half-awake dreams a couple weeks ago where McCain in debate with Obama was goaded by something Barak said, and responded with a 'dirty n-word' outburst. I've thought of that lots since, and concluded that sentiment is just below McCain's smoking volcano. A torrent of racist magma under pressure to burst out.

If you can call your wife a trollup and a cunt in front of other people, then the n-word is not far from believability. John's Navy wasn't a well known place of racial harmony and respect.

McCain, once he loses the election, will go back to making anti-American propaganda for the North Vietnamese.
McCain should be in prison for treason, not running for president.

The term "that one" indicates a dismissive and cranky attitude, but we already knew that, based on the fact that McCain wouldn't even look at Obama during the entire first debate.

People clamoring that it is some sort of racial dog whistle are missing the biggest point: When two white guys are running against each other, one might try to implement Nixon's "Southern Strategy" to try to encourage support from racists by inference and implication. But the strategy doesn't work here because . . . wait for it . . . OBAMA IS BLACK! Any racist who would vote based on prejudice is already opposed to Obama, so there is no benefit to trolling for vote shifting by code.
While Palin's language on the trail may reflect her own prejudices, or be a cynical calculation to pander to her base's prejudices, it won't increase her ticket's vote count, 'cuz she's already got 'em. She's just rearranging the deck chairs on the Straight Talk Titanic.
Whether or not the Bradley effect occurs in this election is yet to be seen, but that is something else entirely. But secret code words are not going to draw out the last 10% of the undecided voters and make them vote for McCain while the market undergoes a historic crash.

Eh, whatever. It wasn't racist. It was, however, more than a tetch of old-man-itis. He wasn't horribly grumpy like he was in debate no. 1, so he could have passed the smell test if he hadn't made that slip-up.

If you can call your wife a trollup and a cunt in front of other people, then the n-word is not far from believability. John's Navy wasn't a well known place of racial harmony and respect.

Not to mention a man who still (AFAIK) defends his use of 'gook.'

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