Just read the O'Reilly transcript and all I can say is: WTF? It's gotten so that between Juan Williams, Cokey Roberts, Mara Liasson, and the current batch at ATC and Morning Edition, I can't even turn on NPR anymore w/out thinking I've tuned in to FoxLite. WTF?

Your last paragraph nails it. This was the declaration of war against Michelle Obama, a war that will resemble the one against Hillary Clinton.

The model the Right has for how to destroy a President comes from 1993-94, and they're going to follow it to the T.

Juan is a genuinely nice guy

The fact is that Juan Williams is a waste of our nation's airwaves, and has gotten systematically worse over the years. It started when he rode "Talk Of The Nation" into the ground by means of soporific milquetoast qualities exceptional even be the standards of that program, and it continued when he became a Fox News Democrat and then proceeded for conduct a series of interviews of famously evil and duplicitous Bush Administration officials that stretched the very boundaries of the terms "obsequious" and "credulous". It got so bad that not only did the Bush administration offer to have Dubya do an interview on NPR if and only if Juan Williams were the interviewer but that NPR was too embarrassed by Williams's previous interviews to accept the rare privilege of interviewing a sitting President.

Juan Williams is a national embarrassment, and frankly any post about him should start with a disclaimer stating so.

Juan Williams is of average intelligence at best.

He is not that smart. He is also a bootlicker, a DC "villager" extraordinaire.

I don't care that he's nice. He's a fool.

Whenever Juan Williams talks about women, remember he was disciplined by the WashPost for sexually harassing his female colleagues . A guy like that doesn't just not give women their due, he makes their work life hell.

Maybe, Adam, you should speak to him a third time, and ask him what the fuck his problem is?

Because if I saw Juan Williams on the street, I'd spit in the face of that stupid old Uncle Tom.

When will "we" stop apologizing for journalists who behave like total dirtbags?

Why are journalists treated under a different standard than their sources?

I've been rolling Juan Williams' statement about Michelle Obama around like a wad of gum, trying to figure out why it bothers me so much.

Um, because it's douchebaggery at the highest level?

Juan is a genuinely nice guy.

It would be hard to find a woman who agrees with that statement.

So ...

Who cares if you found him a nice guy. That doesn't mean anything about judgment or analytical skill.

Michelle Obama most recently worked to keep poor people from using U of Chicago's medical center. She's no radical.

No doubt Juan Williams is pleasant company when he's with other men of his general class and professional status. This does not make him a nice guy. I don't know why so many people confuse affability with good character.

But Jeezy IS talking about your mama. And your sister and your daughter -- which is why, if I understand you right, it does make you furious. It should. Maybe it's time you re-evaluated your love of Hip-hop.

As for Juan Williams, no woman in her right mind gives a damn what he thinks.

That's why it's called misogynistic bigotry: it's irrational hatred. It doesn't matter what the woman (or girl) does because in the mind of the bigot she's always deserving of mad hate. And you're right: it doesn't matter if the person uses misogynistic slurs (e.g., bitch, whore) or not to treat a woman as if she in a dehumanizing or even demonizing way.

But we'll never fight back against such intolerance and hate unless we stop confusing it with "disrespect." This isn't about Juan Williams being rude to Michelle Obama as an individual. This is about Williams being bigoted towards her because of her gender. I fear with Mrs. Obama, it'll be worse than it was with Secretary Clinton simply because she'll have to deal with racism on top of the misogyny. And we're living in perilous times, which will only increase the public appetite for a scapegoat.

I need to edit my previous comment. Sorry, I meant to write:

"And you're right: it doesn't matter if the person uses misogynistic slurs (e.g., bitch, whore) or not; to treat a woman as if she in a dehumanizing or even demonizing way is the core problem.

Damn, the strike tags didn't work! I meant to strike out the "as if she" part and just leave:

"...to treat a woman in a dehumanizing or even demonizing way is the core problem."

Aw, hell.

We'd have much more sympathy for this point of view regardingMr. Obama's wife if she, and her husband, hadn't profited from using sexist language themselves during the primary

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN1qZMBE9Gc

We tried to warn you: the Left's embrace of gender-based attacks on HRC would come back to haunt all women. It has.

(waits for the obligatory, and irrelevant, Hillary Clinton lost because she ran a lousy campaign comment)

Anonymous at 1:50, do you have the slightest grasp of reality? Sexism and Racism and Classism predate anything that has happened in the last five minutes, let alone something that happened in the last year. The "elft's embrace of gender based attacks on HRC" can't "come back to haunt all women" because *it never left.* Plus, do try to grasp that Obama doesn't represent "The left" and individual people who were voting for Obama don't represent "the left." Both Obama and Clinton were *centrist candidates* whose followers jointly and separately used the language of racism and sexism to defend their candidate and tear down the other candidate. Its got nothing to do with left or right.

Meanwhile, of course, your candidate fully supports the Obamas and as a woman who was wrongfully and viciously attacked by the right wing/anti woman party for sixteen years she will have nothing but sympathy for what Michelle is going through.

aimai

Oh, and as for the obligatory part. Hillary clinton lost *because she lost*. Get the fuck over it.

You lefties are crazy

Uh. Clearly he is not a NICE guy. He may be a FRIENDLY guy but that's different isn't it?

Juan is a genuinely nice guy.

The same thing Michael Kinsley and his ilk have been saying about Pat Buchanan for thirty years and more.

I don't remember any at Tapped talking about the misogyny directed toward Hillary Clinton.

With one hand on Michelle Obama's breast and another pouring beer down her throat, I approve of Juan Williams' statement.

yes, amai, Clinton is a better person (than either Michelle Obama or I) for that.

I noticed you didn't respond to the Michelle Obama video, where she, specifically, not "an Obama supporter" traffics in the sexist language.

and thanks for biting on the oblig. :)

Gee, all the bitter whining by pathetic dead-ender PUMAs is making me rethink my support for Obama.

It also reflects very well on Hillary Clinton.

Non Mous: Thanks for the reminder. He, Bill O'Reilly, and Chris Matthews must all be great buds.

Anonymous PUMA (may I call you Lynn, Lady De Rothschild?): Yupper. Obama's been so mean to Senator Clinton, he's put her in charge of his foreign policy. That's oh so much meaner than known sexual harasser Juan Williams making repeated and baseless attacks against both First Ladies, and other Democrats, over the past two decades. But thanks for playing!

KSinMA - If even one person ever was moved to re-evaluate their love for hip-hop as a whole over some manifestation of the culture-at-large's misogyny - esPECially if that manifestation came from Young Jeezy of all people - it would be a tragedy.

Bored Now @ 11:42: A-yep. Hell, Edwards was *my* first choice, not just because he was the most progressive of the three Dem frontrunners, but because national polling in the fall of 2007 consistently showed that he was the only Democrat at the time who kicked McCain, the GOP's strongest guy, to the curb by more than the polls' MoEs. (It was obvious even then that McCain was the Republicans' only hope; he was competitive against Edwards, ran neck-and-neck with Obama, and beat Hillary Clinton decisively. In fact, Hillary was so weak even second-tier Republicans gave her a run for her money in the Rasmussen and Gallup polls.)

I remember being so pissed at Kos for saying that Edwards had no chance because he didn't really have a base or a machine outside of the netroots. But I got over it, and it turned out that Edwards' dropping out was one of the best gifts the Dems got that year.

Juan Williams is one of the reasons I stopped listening to the craptacular NPR news. Another reason: always letting the Republican have both the first & last word when they do their fair & balanced one-from-each-side interviews.

Rich @ January 27, 2009 8:35 PM:

No, what Michelle Obama did was tried to connect poor people with primary care physicians at community health centers rather than having them use the U. of Chicago emergency room for non-emergency issues. *Anyone* in the health care field will tell you that helping people access primary, preventive care not only saves money, but produces better health outcomes for those individuals. Get your facts straight.

Non Mous: Thanks for the reminder. He, Bill O'Reilly, and Chris Matthews must all be great buds.

NM and PW: Don't forget Richard Cohen.

Curious that Willaims, Cohen, and to some extent Matthews, are all Beltway-defined "liberals" who spend most of their time making excuses for Republicans and scolding Democrats.

What's PUMA?

In 1998, Juan Williams took part in an especially memorable HRC-mocking panel on Fox, at the height of the Monica Hunt. The boys showed an old photo of HRC and laughed it up good about how unatttractive she had been back in the 70s. At the time, even MSNBC hadn't descended to this level yet. Williams seems to be a genuine gender throwback:

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh091508.shtml

John Petty: agreed.

Um, ok, I agree that Juan William's niceness is beside the point, but taking the bigger point, this is a really wonderful post,

may I call you Lynn, Lady De Rothschild

as long as I can call you Miss Poopy Pants

Why is anyone surprised the classless clones of Roger Ailes and Company would stoop to personally attacking the President's wife? Attacks on their kids are not far behind with that bunch.

O'Reilly, Williams and the whole low life crowd at Fox have long ago destroyed any semblance of being a credible news organization.

The only consolation for those of us who cherish civility is that the Obamas have more dignity and class than the whole Fox team put together.

Their meanness will catch up with them eventually.

No, it's not. Dean is absolutely right. The article most certainly was contemptuous, and misrepresentative. The fact that we have a -$70 billion trade deficit with Canada should have been clearly stated, if the article was to have any validity at all. In reality, Canada is feeding at the US consumer market trough, just like so many other countries.

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Ironically, it was a few months ago that he was crying at the Convention... proud to see Michelle. Now he wants to cut her down like this? At least he could be nuanced...if he wants to start a conversation. It looks like he is trying to cut her down at the knees.

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