I UNDERSTAND THAT TRYING TO INFER LOGIC FROM INSTAPUNDITRY IS FUTILE, BUT... Glenn Reynolds asserts that Iran has been at war with the United States "since 1979." My question: when does he start calling for Michael Ledeen to be put on trial for high treason for helping to sell arms to a country the U.S. is at war with?
--Scott Lemieux
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This is the new rightwing virus they're trying to inject in the new new hysterical march to an unnecessary war. I've seen it a few times now -- a claim that would come as a surprise, especially seeing as how our campaign against the Taliban was aided by Iran just a few years ago.
Which would put Bush and his generals in collusion (presumably giving the Iranians at least some basic information on American troop movement) with a country we're at war with.
Posted by: Jay B. | February 20, 2007 1:06 PM
Also, Instafuckwit has been at war with reason since 1982.
Posted by: ahem | February 20, 2007 1:08 PM
North and Poindexter? Wasn't Gates involved in Iran-Contra? Negroponte?
Posted by: Jim | February 20, 2007 1:11 PM
Also, Instafuckwit has been at war with reason since 1982.
Not true. He unconditionally surrendered a little over five years ago.
Posted by: Michael Bérubé | February 20, 2007 1:44 PM
Also, Instafuckwit has been at war with reason since 1982.
Not true. He unconditionally surrendered a little over five years ago.
Posted by: Michael Bérubé | February 20, 2007 1:47 PM
Halliburton sold Iran arms too - while Cheney was in charge of the company. Yet another traitorous action committed by the Vice President. IMPEACH!
Posted by: madamab | February 20, 2007 1:48 PM
You know, if we had had the sense to execute all the Iran-Contra figures who betrayed us in our on-going war with Iran, the present administration would look very, very different (if it was there at all).
Maybe Jonah can call for Ollie to turn himself in to be executed, or does that only apply to liberals under Star Trek scenarios?
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Posted by: Grand Moff Texan | February 20, 2007 1:49 PM
Also, Instafuckwit has been at war with reason since 1982.
Hasn't it been longer than that? I mean, he's more than 25 years old ...
Posted by: Sinfonian | February 20, 2007 1:49 PM
9/11 changed everything. It's a new class of war. A global war.
So now we can go to war with countries we also sell weapons to.
We're working our way up to just writing big checks to private companies to kill their employees and smash their equipment.
Posted by: MasonMcD | February 20, 2007 1:53 PM
It's really quite amusing to watch Perfesser Ernest T. Bass pretend he doesn't know the difference between calling for killing "regime leaders" and death squads that assassinate civilians willy-nilly.
I may not agree with either idea, but at least I know there's a fucking difference. Of course, I can also count to ten without taking off my socks, so I'm one up on Ernest T. in many respects...
Posted by: dave™© | February 20, 2007 1:53 PM
I think Cheney lobbied the Clinton administration on behalf of Halliburton to lift trade sanctions on Iran so that they could sell to Iran. I seem to remember some off-shore subsidiary of Halliburton that was doing business in Iran in violation of the sanctions.
Posted by: Th | February 20, 2007 1:54 PM
Wait. Does Reynolds assert that the US has been literally at war with Iran?
Shouldn't a law professor know something about, you know, the Constitution?
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Posted by: Grand Moff Texan | February 20, 2007 1:55 PM
And Cheney, and Halliburton and...
Posted by: Chuffy | February 20, 2007 1:56 PM
Look, ANYTHING and EVERYTHING
is AOK if a Republican does it. It's
simply that simple. Putz has no consistency or honor. Only Tribes.
If you travelled to Iran as a student
in 1982 to try to understand the Islamic Revolution there, you are a traitor and should be executed because we are at WAR with Iran,
dammit!
If you have been selling weapons to them since 1980 and they've used them on Iraqis, Soviets, Americans, etc, but you made a shitload of money off it, you're cool...
...To a Putz.
Posted by: Bigby | February 20, 2007 2:01 PM
Don't forget Ayatollah Ollie North who also committed treason by selling arms.
Posted by: cosmosis | February 20, 2007 2:05 PM
We have always been at war with Iran.
Posted by: Sid Fish | February 20, 2007 2:06 PM
So, where do I fit in this war?
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Posted by: Ahmad Chalabi | February 20, 2007 2:17 PM
Reynolds says that since 1979, Iran has the deaths of many Americans, soldiers and otherwise, on its hands. I'm wondering, who might that be? I only ask because, depending on his answer, he might have to call for the indictment of the entire Reagan administration.
Posted by: R. Porrofatto | February 20, 2007 2:19 PM
Heck. Forget Ledeen and Iran-Contra.
Read Cheney's own words from 1998, when he argues specifically against then current US Law regarding sanctions on Iran and see Cheney's actions as CEO of Halliburton, where, despite the sanctions, he orchestrated -- and personally profited from -- millions of dollars of contracts with the same Iranian Mullahs through a shady Cayman Island subsidiary.
So in summary, while the USA was, according to Instahack, at war with Iran, Dick Cheney by word and deed literally worked against official US Laws and Policy (the sanctions), literally provided aid and comfort to the Enemy (the deals with Iran and the arguments against the sanctions) while personally pocketing millions of dollars as a result of these words and actions.
Posted by: jim | February 20, 2007 2:27 PM
In neocon thinking we are truly "at war" with anyone who disagrees with any of this adminstration's policies or actions. The Declaration of War recognizing this is instantaneous, intuitive, and superior to the slow and unsatisfying process found in the Constitution.
So it likely comes as no surprise to hear that, among others, we are currently at war with France and Barbara Streisand.
When French waiters begin to drop from sniper bullets you'll know that Reynolds' ideas have been received at the highest levels....
Posted by: Windhorse | February 20, 2007 2:31 PM
Must I say it?
We have always been at war with Iran.
Posted by: Baldrick | February 20, 2007 2:37 PM
Apologies to Cosmosis who was all over this utterly bizarre echo of Orwell.
Posted by: Baldrick | February 20, 2007 2:39 PM
With all the hoopla about Iran, let's not forget that (thank you, Thomas Friedman for bringing it our attention!) that we've been at war with France since at least 2003:
http://www.travelbrochuregraphics.com/extra/our_war_with_france.htm
Posted by: e | February 20, 2007 2:44 PM
"Lemieux" sounds FRENCH.
Posted by: Dean Keeton | February 20, 2007 2:54 PM
Also, Instafuckwit has been at war with reason since 1982.
Not true. He unconditionally surrendered a little over five years ago.
Too bad there was no occupation.
Posted by: Hogan | February 20, 2007 3:06 PM
Also, Instafuckwit has been at war with reason since 1982.
Not true. He unconditionally surrendered a little over five years ago
Posted by:Michael Bérubé | February 20, 2007 01:44 PM
I must disagree. I wander over there on occasion (perhaps the agnostic equivalent of flagellation), and I have yet see evidence of someone who has succumbed to reason.
Posted by: dave | February 20, 2007 3:29 PM
Also keep in mind that while Bush sends political prisoners to Syria to be tortured, he refuses to speak with the country's leaers - he'll only do so through an intermediary.
It's not just the Perfessor who has trouble with logic.
Posted by: Noam Sane | February 20, 2007 4:11 PM
Bush apologists have been heard making the same claim about Iraq - i.e., that the 2003 invasion was not the beginning of the war but just a continuation of it.
Posted by: Jason | February 20, 2007 4:11 PM
And remember, there's no such thing as a presidential pardon for a war crime.
Posted by: tinheart | February 20, 2007 4:18 PM
Enter the Name the Goon contest
Posted by: Kevin Hayden | February 20, 2007 6:35 PM