GUEST POST: THIRD WAY RESPONDS. As the authors of the Third Way election report Looking Red, Voting Blue, we write to respond to the criticisms of our report made by Tom Schaller and Mark Schmitt. (Ezra Klein also has attacked our report, but he offers nothing new.)
First, it's clear that we all agree that the 2006 electorate was redder than in 2004. It was wealthier and whiter, and more rural, male, religious, and married. We also all agree that is typical of off-year versus presidential year elections.
Where we disagree is the significance of this difference, and we take each of the major criticisms of our report in turn:
Presidential elections versus mid-terms. Schaller says it is a "major no-no" to compare a presidential to an off-year election. As we acknowledge in our paper and mentioned up above, turnout varies between off-years and presidential elections. And if we had written a paper looking at historical turnout trends, we would differentiate the two.
But we are writing in the realm of the practical, where the entire House and one-third of the Senate is at stake every two years, along with a few dozen state houses and state and local offices. Politicians don't have the luxury of choosing the cycle in which they will run. And if one's aim is to take over the House, the Senate or both – you can't rely only on presidential years to create your majority.
And that is really what the heart of Looking Red, Voting Blue is about. The significance is not that the electorate was redder in an off-year, but that Democrats won in spite of it. In 2004, it was a bluer electorate that voted red by re-electing George Bush and reaffirming the Republican majority in Congress. In 2006, a redder electorate turned the tables by voting blue, and our paper tried to determine where those new Democratic votes came from.
It turns out they came from predominantly red-looking voters -- mostly men, mostly from folks who are financially better off, mostly from people who felt good about the economy, and lots of religious and rural people. These new Democratic voters had turned on Bush, soured on the war, and were sickened by Republican corruption. The Democratic majority did not come from a massive turnout of the base, but defections from GOP-type voters.
Methodology. Schaller further argues that we derived "artifactual" results by using the normalization technique. Not only does he argue that normalizing the 2004 and 2006 elections is as misleading as "comparing a slugging centerfielder with a singles-hitting second baseman," he implies that without normalization, the 2006 gains would in large measure be due to better performance among base groups. We disagree on both points.
As to validity, normalization is a standard statistical procedure employed not just in baseball but by many election analysts as well. In the same way that it allows comparisons between pitchers who face unequal numbers of batters, it allows election analysts to compare elections with unequal vote totals (including mid-term to mid-term).
But even setting that aside, our results -- non-normalized -- would remain the same. We chose to normalize because it illustrates our results in a vivid and accessible way by translating percentages of voters (pretty dry) into numbers of actual people (much more illuminating). It's also the best way to simultaneously capture the effect of changes in both electoral composition and performance.
Take, for example, the following two facts from the exit polls:
- Democratic Congressional candidates won 28 percent of voters who rated the economy "good or excellent" in 2006, versus only 16 percent of these voters in 2004.
- The percentage of voters who thought the economy was "good or excellent" increased by two percentage points.
But to be absolutely fair, here are some non-normalized findings from the exit polls that restate our original results:
- Democrats won a larger share of higher-income voters in 2006 than in 2004. Democrats gained 6-points among voters making between $50,000 and $100,000 and 5-points among voters making more than $100,000. (They also gained 4 points among voters making less than $15,000, but that group was less than half the size of the upper-income group in 2004. As a share of the total votes received by Democrats, the under $15,000 group dropped by nearly 2-points).
- Democrats wooed more men and married people. Democrats won 52 percent of male voters in 2006, versus 46 percent in 2004, for a gain of 6 points. The gain among women was 3 points. Democrats won 48 percent of married voters in 2006, versus 43 percent in 2004 -- a gain of 5 points. The gain among single voters was also 5 points, but married voters outnumbered single voters by more than half again. And there was a much greater turnout among the married.
- Democrats won more whites and Latinos. Democrats made a 5-point gain among whites (47 versus 42 percent) and a 14-point gain among Latinos (70 percent versus 56 percent). The share of the African-American vote won by Democrats remained unchanged. In 2006, 77 percent of the total Democratic votes received came from whites, versus 66 percent in 2004. While the Latino gains were impressive, whites outnumbered Latinos nine-to-one in both 2004 and 2006.
2002 versus 2006. Both Schaller and Schmitt argue that we should have compared 2002 to 2006. We disagree, for the reasons stated above, but for the purposes of this response, we ran the calculations anyway.
In non-normalized terms, Democrats gained 8-points among men and 7-points among whites (versus 6-points among women and a net loss among blacks). They gained 9-points among voters with household incomes above $50,000 and 12-points among voters making over $100,000 (versus 3-points among voters making less than $15,000). They made a 10-point gain with suburbanites and a 6-point gain with rural voters -- both greater than the increase among urban voters.
In normalized terms, Democrats in 2006 picked up 5.3 million new votes over 2002 -- more than the 4.7 million new votes they picked up from 2004 to 2006.
Where did these new votes come from? 4.2 million, or 4 out of 5 were white. 5.1 million, or 96 out of 100, had incomes greater than $75,000. 820,000, or 1 out of 6 were regular church attendees. In other words -- it's a similar pattern to the one we showed between 2004 and 2006. Some of the gains -- like the 2.9 million men or the 2.3 million married voters -- were very impressive but not as spectacular as the gains of 2006 over 2004.
Turnout. We address a couple points here. First, Schaller seems to argue that performance is more important than turnout. The hypothetical he uses in his critique implies that a candidate is better off winning a larger percentage of a smaller base turnout than a smaller percentage of a larger turnout.
This is actually a false choice. What matters is the actual votes -- cast or not. Let's take two elections with 1,250,000 and 1,000,000 voters where the white performance remains constant (50 percent). In the first race, 150,000 African-Americans turn out, and 80 percent vote for the Democrat, thereby giving the Democrat a victory margin of 90,000 votes. In the second race, 100,000 African-Americans turn out, 90 percent of whom vote for the Democrat, thereby providing a margin of 80,000 votes.
Which Democratic candidate would you rather be? Schaller would argue that the second candidate is better off, despite losing 10,000 votes. But that 10,000 votes amounts to more than the difference in the Montana and Virginia Senate races, which were won by Democratic candidates Jim Webb and Jon Tester. That's the difference between Sen. Harry Reid and Sen. Mitch McConnell running the show. How many House races were decided by less than a few thousand votes? Enough to hand Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and now-Committee Chairmen Henry Waxman, Charlie Rangel, and David Obey their gavels.
Second, Schmitt argues that the principal reason the 2006 electorate was whiter and better off is because all of the most contested Congressional elections were in suburban, white, affluent districts. We have two responses to this. First, the number of contested districts was actually shockingly small. Stuart Rothenberg's last pre-election analysis, for example, rated only 62 races competitive (that's 14 percent of the House). And of these non-competitive races, many more were in white districts than in minority ones -- for every Chaka Fattah, there were at least two Randy Neugebauers. Second, Congressional races weren't the only thing driving turnout. There were at least a dozen competitive Senate races, plus at least that many gubernatorial races, thousands of local elections, ballot initiatives, etc. In fact, in five of the six states with hot Senate races for which exit polls were available (Arizona, Ohio, Maryland, Missouri, Connecticut), 2006 African-American turnout was the same or higher than in 2004.
And a final point on turnout: Schaller argues that "it would not matter if Democrats returned to 2004 performance levels among privileged whites, males and so forth because they could still win the White House" if Democrats "can simply reproduce in 2008 the performance rates among their traditionally favorable, non-privileged groups." That is in fact what happened in 2004. The Democratic base turned out in droves -- and Democrats lost.
"NASCAR men" and "office park dads." Schaller says that we used statistics to create a "pre-ordained outcome" and we are "intent on proving that 'NASCAR men' or 'office park dads' are key targets." Those are his words, not ours. In our report we did not counsel Democrats about what to do to keep these voters or get more of them. We didn't urge Democrats to be centrists or appeal to moderates. We simply made the calculations and let everyone draw their own conclusions. Someone from MoveOn or VoteVets could easily conclude that the answer is not to back down one inch on Iraq. A political consultant might conclude that they should tie every Republican to George Bush. The people at Citizens for Responsible Ethics in Washington might conclude that Democrats must push for, and adhere to, ethics reforms.
In conclusion, we feel that Looking Red, Voting Blue is an honest and straightforward analysis. When we have briefed several folks who are in the business of winning elections or running themselves, and when we explain the methodology -- they quickly get it and they see the value of the analysis. We hope other readers will take the time to read it as well.
--Jim Kessler, Anne Kim, and Scott Winship
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COMMENTS (10)
"And of these non-competitive races, many more were in white districts than in minority ones -- for every Chaka Fattah, there were at least two Randy Neugebauers. Second, Congressional races weren't the only thing driving turnout. There were at least a dozen competitive Senate races, plus at least that many gubernatorial races, thousands of local elections, ballot initiatives, etc. In fact, in five of the six states with hot Senate races for which exit polls were available (Arizona, Ohio, Maryland, Missouri, Connecticut), 2006 African-American turnout was the same or higher than in 2004."
To the first point, um, no shit, Sherlock, but that's besides the point. You need to demonstrate that noncompetitive races occur more frequently in majority-white districts relative to majority-minority ones. The absolute comparison you try to claim here is utterly meaningless, and you should know that, frankly. I'd be shocked if you could make the latter, meaningful claim.
As to your second point, also meaningless in the context you provide. Again, what we need is the increase in minority turnout b/t 2004 and 2006 relative to to the increase/decrease in white turnout.
You should know better than this. I'm not saying that Mark Schmitt and Tom Schaller are necessarily correct, but this response to their critique is a disaster in logic.
Posted by: jfaberuiuc | May 17, 2007 2:36 PM
"(Ezra Klein also has attacked our report, but he offers nothing new.)"
Ouch.
Posted by: Tyrone Slothrop | May 17, 2007 3:17 PM
"To the first point, um, no shit, Sherlock, but that's besides the point."
Brillant watson! Who could argue with that logic. Well, I could.
Here is the first part of that paragraph you didn't copy and paste:
"Second, Schmitt argues that the principal reason the 2006 electorate was whiter and better off is because all of the most contested Congressional elections were in suburban, white, affluent districts."
Schmitt:
"You might have heard that many of the most closely contested congressional races were in suburban districts -- districts that happen to have a lot of white and affluent voters."
schmitt says more whites because more hot Congressional elections were in suburban, white, affluent districts. The rebuttal says "the number of contested districts was actually shockingly small. Stuart Rothenberg's last pre-election analysis, for example, rated only 62 races competitive (that's 14 percent of the House)."
Rothenberg says only 62 races (14%) of the races were hot. schmitt says "many" and "most". Rothenberg and schmitt can both be correct. But if you use Rothenberg's 62 (14%) hot races then schmitt's "many" and "most" doesn't add up to much.
So if you use Rothenberg's last house pre-election analysis schmitt is all wet.
Posted by: hadenough | May 17, 2007 4:11 PM
hadenough, you make exactly the same mistake they do. Let's imagine, for the moment, that there were 400 races, 60 of which were hot. Further, imagine that 320 of these races were in majority white districts, 80 in majority black. 55 of the hot races are from "white" districts.
Schmitt is correct to say "many of the most closely contested congressional races were in suburban districts -- districts that happen to have a lot of white and affluent voters." We are talking 55 of the 60 contested races (17%). Only 5 out of 80 contested races are in black districts (7%). Assuming that "hot" races turn out more voters, this boosts white turnout compared to black turnout, throwing off the percentages. This is true even though the majority of "cold" races are in white districts. Simply put, the majority of any phenomenon occurs in white districts, but that's utterly besides the point. It may only affect the results by a few percentage points, but that's what the Third Way was discussing! They are trying to identify swing voters at the margins, but they screwed up their margins, essentially.
Posted by: jfaberuiuc | May 17, 2007 4:31 PM
Sorry, mistake on my part.
55 out of 60 "hot" races are in white districts = 93%
55 out of 320 white districts have "hot races" = 17%
5 out of 60 "hot" races in black districts = 8%
5 out of 80 black districts have "hot" races = 7%
These numbers are just made up, of course, but should be relatively close to the actual sample.
Note that Schmitt said most hot races are white, not that most white races are hot. The two statements are completely different.
Posted by: jfaberuiuc | May 17, 2007 4:35 PM
Lmao, these people do know we don't care what they have to say, don't they?
Do they really think we're stupid enough to give them the benefit of the doubt anymore. They and those they represent have made it pretty clear: To them, we're the enemy. To us, they should be the same.
Posted by: Soullite | May 17, 2007 5:23 PM
Jfaberuiuc, I think I see your point, that black districts may be "hot" at a greater rate, but I wonder why it matters. It reminds me of the authors' argument that ultimately it's actual votes that we should be concerned with. In this case, the votes we're talking about are the ones that choose the Speaker of the House. And if 55 out of 60 "hot" races are in white suburban districts, then it makes sense to focus on the votes that sent those districts over the top. Black districts may be "hot" at a greater relative rate than white districts, but so what? 55 seats in the House is a lot more than 5.
Help me understand if I'm missing something.
Posted by: Ben | May 17, 2007 5:28 PM
jfaberuiuc,
"imagine"!
I don't have to make anything up. According to "Stuart Rothenberg's last pre-election analysis, for example, rated only 62 races competitive (that's 14 percent of the House)." Why use "Let's imagine, for the moment, that there were 400 races, 60 of which were hot"? We have Rothenberg's exact number 62 (14%) of house races that were hot. Let's use that. Then lets use exactly what schmitt typed in:
"You might have heard that many of the most closely contested congressional races were in suburban districts -- districts that happen to have a lot of white and affluent voters."
schmitt says "many" and "most" hot races were in white neighborhoods. Rothenberg says 14% of the races were hot. I'm not making it up. Using Rothenberg's 14% and schmitt's many and most we get something less than 14%. What does schmitt mean by many or most, who knows. But using Rothenberg's number schmitt would be talking about something less than 14%.
To me less than 14% is not much of something. Schmitt says “many” and “most” hot races. He even says “you have a lot of hot races in white.” 14% is not a lot of something. In fact it’s not only less than half or a quarter of something it’s less than a fifth. Even though there are plenty of real numbers around Schmitt uses “many”, “most” and “a lot.” My BS meter pegs. But that’s just me.
"Schmitt is correct to"
I said both schmitt and Rothenberg can be correct. What schmitt doesn't bother to tell us is "most", "many" and “a lot” according to Rothenberg's numbers means even less than 62 (14%) of house races.
"It may only affect the results by a few percentage points, but that's what the Third Way was discussing!"
Was I defending third way? Did you see anywhere in my comment that I say third way was right and schmitt is wrong? Not in my comment you don't.
Shorter me: schmitt's work is sloppy.
schmitt:
"So -- surprise! -- you have a lot of hot races in white, affluent areas, you're going to get a lot more white, affluent voters."
schmitt says "you have a lot of hot races in white, affluent areas." What schmitt means by a lot I don't know and he doesn't get any more exact. So using Rothenberg's 62 (14%) hot races and schmitt's "many", "most" and "a lot" we end up with something less and 62 (14%) of hot house races. Maybe that's "a lot" to schmitt. He doesn't bother going in to detail so we don't know.
That's sloppy work. For me any time I see somebody making it up when there are plenty of facts around the BS meter pegs. Depending on where you look 76 million people voted in house races in 2006. Is schmitt talking about enough hot races in white districts to up the white vote nationally? From his sloppy work I don’t know. Using Rothenberg’s number probably not.
Schmitt’s work is sloppy at best. Is schmitt really this incompetent? Is that his usual? Or to paraphrase shaller is schmitt working to create a pre-ordained outcome.
Posted by: hadenough | May 17, 2007 5:44 PM
Ezra Klein also has attacked our report, but he offers nothing new.
In other words criticizing the Third Way is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Posted by: joejoejoe | May 17, 2007 6:38 PM
hadenough says: "Shorter me: Schmitt's work is sloppy."
I say: "My work is sloppy." Indeed, I made clear that a comprehensive analysis of the issue, one that compared turnout based on competitiveness in the House race across all 435 districts was beyond what I had time to do. It would be a good project for some young political scientist to spend a semester on.
All I proposed to do was to show some examples of where the more competitive races in a state generated much higher turnout boosts than the noncompetitive races in the same states. Just to establish the point that when you talk about "new voters," those new voters were more likely to emerge in some places and not others. Those places appear to be competitive congressional districts, and the majority of those competitive districts -- whether using Rothenberg's 65 (which is a lot!) or the list of races decided by 5 points or less -- was suburban. A more thorough, academic analysis should quantify that more precisely, as well as separate turnout percentages in those districts from the raw vote totals, and all sorts of other sophisticated things. In this response, I just wanted to show that the presence of contested races in CT, NY, PA, OH and other suburban districts was a likely explanation for the whiter, wealthier complexion of the Democratic vote. Nothing in Third Way's response -- which is simply to point out that some white districts were non-competitive also -- responds to or rebuts that modest point.
Posted by: Mark Schmitt | May 17, 2007 11:59 PM