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MORE OPPRESSION OLYMPICS.

Like Marie Cocco, I could come up with my own list of Media Matters clips and offensive merchandise that I could use to argue definitively that racism is worse than sexism. But I'm not sure what that would prove, other than that I believe the prejudice I've faced is qualitatively worse than the prejudice I know nothing about. I see racism and sexism as intertwined if not interdependent, so I don't understand why for some people the Democratic primary has become a competition over who has it worse. Not to mention the fact that Cocco's approach basically excludes all women of color from the conversation.

--A. Serwer


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One of my very best friends is a black woman. When I asked her which was worst she mentioned she has never been pulled over because she was a woman. I think that summed it up.

I'm a black woman and I think sexism (especially when directed at me by condescending black men) is just as bad as racism. I've been profiled while shopping because I'm both a woman and because I'm black. Both form of predjudice are bad and our country is suffering due to both forms of insanity and ignorance. I've heard the most vile, sexist language from both black men and women and they speak it w/out the least bit of irony. Oh, what's the use. American's love to play the "my holocaust was worse than your holocaust pity-party" game. If everyone would stop think of there own selfish, petty needs for just one

You're so right. Sweetie.

My comment above directed to the poster, not Farha from Fez!

Tah, dbag.

Oh, anyway, I totes agreed w/that wapo article. Needless to say there was a lot of racism direct towards Obama, but I think the overt sexism directed at Clinton was worse this time around, though I don't think it's why she's losing the nomination.

How long will it take Michelle Obama to step out from behind her husband and assume a role in her own right. We all know she's the brains in that family!

Michelle is a mean hostile witch!

It's not about which is worse, racism or sexism, it's about the fact that sexism is completely accepted in our culture, and racism is roundly denounced. This primary has made that all too clear. You missed the point of the article.

"I've always met more discrimination being a woman than being black."

Shirley Chisholm
First African-American woman elected to Congress and the first major party African-American candidate for President of the United States.

Dear A. Serwer:

Everybody has the right to be stupid on occasion but you abuse it.

Racism and Sexism need not always be conflated or compared. The Wapo article was about SEXISM. Ms. Cocco made several very valid points without comparing it to racism. The sexism aimed at Hillary Clinton has been shameful and unfair, period.

You, Mr. Serwer, have missed the point completely.

Cocco didn't argue that sexism was "worse" than racism. She argued that the sexism on display during this campaign season has been pervasive and that progressives in the political media and responsible people in the Democratic party have not called it out and condemned it.

Why don't you answer her argument? Do you believe in the principles involved? Are you and others willing to speak out for those principles? Or do those principles only interest you when you see yourself as a victim?

When prejudice and bigotry are leveled against others and we do not speak out, what arguement do any of us have for others to stand up for us when we are under assault?

While I think a lot of these complaints about sexism are merited, I also think that pointing them out, endlessly, *drives* this animus to a whole other level entirely. Over time, I have noticed that there is something about arguably privileged people claiming to be victims of sexism (or racism, for that matter) that drives *all kinds of people* *absolutely* *batshit* *crazy.* This seems to flow in all kinds of directions.

We can analyze why that might be but, irregardless, I don't think there's a handy cure, so I've never thought it was productive to inject it *into* the campaign. Or, it may work with some people, but it's a very limited appeal.

I don't think Clinton's supporters get that at all. And I'm not sure Obama's do, either. Although, he might.

Shorter Anonymous: Listen, you broads, getting all bitchy about sexism just makes it worse. You'd do better just shutting up about it.

There's way too much heat and not enough light in Cocco's argument. It's a kind of lawyer's brief, the kind that invites argument by flashing nothing but anger and overstating the case. Were there instances of sexism? Absolutely. We need to improve. But to say that sexism is perfectly acceptable is way over the top, and it sounds suspiciously like the deployment of rhetoric to rally the troops and forgive the excesses of their leader. I remember hearing Samantha Powers accused of sexism for describing Hillary as a "monster"; I remember hearing people say it was sexist when some people compared Hillary to Nixon. The mind boggles. Some Clinton supporters seem to think that because she's a woman any complaint that she's vindictive or controlling or overambitious is - necessarily - sexist. Well, no.

"horter Anonymous: Listen, you broads, getting all bitchy about sexism just makes it worse. You'd do better just shutting up about it.

Posted by: weboy | May 15, 2008 6:59 PM"

Okay, don't believe me. Instead, roll out the welcome for McCain and the male resentment brigades. Use your head.

And, I am a broad, you wet behind the ears little twit.

That doesn't make the comment less asinine, sweetie. :)

Anon:

I don't believe you.

Mary:

Flawless victory!

A. Serwer,

Guess what? Everything is not always about YOU!

Marie Coco's article was spot on.

I thought American Prospect was supposed to be progressive. If you can't even condemn bald faced sexism when it smacks you in the face, then you might as well join the right wing.

I too am an African-American woman...and even though I support Hillary Clinton...I can still look at this objectively.

I haven't seen a dancing black face doll, but I've seen a Hillary Clinton nut cracker.

I haven't heard a "news" anchor talk about how someone should take Obama to a shed and only the other guy comes out.

I haven't heard of Hillary Clinton playing a song at a victory party that denegrates her opponent like Obama playing, "99 problems but a B ain't one" after his Iowa caucus win.

I haven't seen a t-shirt that says, Get to the back of the Bus but I have seen Bros before Hos.

For those of you with your head in the sand...pretending like sexism hasn't been part and parcel of this campaign...so be it. But the rest of us don't have dirt in our eyes. We see clearly what's been said. And we don't like it.

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