I take her at her word that this is an honest mistake, but it does show how deeply she wants the presidency, namely that she's holding out a slim hope the legitmate nominee will be assassinated before the general election.

Actually, I think Sam Boyd should apologize for his ugly, factually incorrect accusation that Clinton was implying that Obama might get shot. She was, quite obviously, observing that the primaries in 1968 didn't end until June, just as this year.

The poisonus hatred for Hillary in the liberal press is getting out of hand.

Actually, I think Sam Boyd should apologize for his ugly, factually incorrect accusation that Clinton was implying that Obama might get shot. She was, quite obviously, observing that the primaries in 1968 didn't end until June, just as this year.

The poisonus hatred for Hillary in the liberal press is getting out of hand.

Vidor: come off it. It's almost as bad if Clinton didn't mean to imply that there's a chance Obama would be killed because that means she isn't thinking at all about what she's saying and how it's going to sound to people. Obama got Secret Service protection earlier in this campaign than any candidate in history for a reason, and for her to idly speculate about assassination is irresponsible, regardless of whether she intended the maximally sinister implications or not.

"come off it"

No sir I will not. It is an ugly, irresponsible, vicious attack to make. I am accustomed to seeing Clinton get hammered in the liberal blogosphere while Obama gets tongue baths, but this really is going too far. She was talking about how Democratic nomination fights in the past have quite often gone well past this calendar date. Boyd owes an apology.

Vidor: have you watched the video? If she's listing nomination fights that went into June, that's a pretty bizarre list to choose since it's a huge exaggeration to say that's true of '92 and '68, leaving aside the RFK assassination to the extent possible, was a huge disaster for the party unity of Democrats, which directly contradicts the point she was making immediately prior to the RFK remark. And then that's the list? Two elections? That's incredibly persuasive as an argument and given how unpersuasive it is, the assassination remark comes off as a complete non sequiter which leads me to ask: why bring it up at all?

Again, I'm not attributing any intention to her, because it's bad either way. Even if she didn't mean it, she really ought to know how people will react. The best excuse for her here isn't comforting for her supporters: she is gaffe-prone candidate who has no place on the ticket.

Maybe a broad spectrum of commentators have turned on Clinton because she has been doing a lot of vicious, stupid, irresponsible things.

Just a thought.

"If she's listing nomination fights that went into June"

It's not "if". That's what she was doing.

"And then that's the list? Two elections?"

Would you like me to list more? Because I could list a whole bunch more. 1984 for starters. How about 1976? How about 1980, when Kennedy didn't give up until the floor vote?

So, that apology from Mr. Boyd would be great to hear at any time. Sooner would be better, though.

I don't think anyone believes that she is waiting for Obama to be assassinated, but regardless of what she meant, what she said was at the very least staggeringly tone deaf and self-defeating. And we don't need another Democratic candidate who is constantly shooting themselves in the foot with poorly thought out statements.

This is utterly ridiculous.

If one were to watch the video, one would see that Clinton clearly mentioned RFK only to highlight the fact that the race was still going on in June.

Of course, if one wanted to manufacture a scandal because that would be more fun to blog about, you could say that she secretly wants Obama to be assassinated.

Take your pick.

Drew: if Clinton mentioned RFK "only to highlight the fact that the race was still going on in June," why bring up the assassination at all? What does it add? Intentionally or not, all it does is raise the specter of another June assassination. It's needless provocative and incredibly tone deaf.

Vidor: I'm not disputing that there have been others (though I might dispute their relevance in another thread), but Clinton didn't list them. If she'd produced some long list, that would have minimized this gaffe. But she didn't. She mentioned RFK's assassination and sort of drifted off. Since she failed to provide any context in which mentioning assassination makes sense, I don't think it's surprising or unreasonable that the first reaction of many people is, "WTF?!?"

And even ignoring the comment about RFK's assassination, is the 1968 primary something that Democrats want to repeat?

Vidor: You seem to defeat your own argument by listing "a bunch" of other examples that Clinton might have used. If the point is to argue that primary races routinely last into June, then why not use those other, more recent examples? And why not say "We all remember that Bobby Kennedy's campaign continued into June of 1968?" It is perfectly reasonable to conclude that Clinton either intended to raise the notion of assasination or used a very poor choice of words.

Mr. Boyd's post does not state or imply that Clinton secretly desires that Obama be killed, as suggested by Drew.

In all fairness -- and I have no love for Clinton -- in context, she was responding to the idea that this is the time for the "party to come together." Her mangled point was that Democratic primary seasons have gone on longer than this one, trying to get across that RFK was still trying to secure the nomination when he was assassinated in June.

That being said, I have no doubt someone in the Clinton back rooms have pondered the idea that RFK got shot in June, so you never know.... (which is probably why the example came up as easy as it did for her).

Well, that's terrible, dreadful irony for you...

What if, heaven forbid the tragic and awful happens, and Obama is assassinated?

You think we won't hear this clip more than we heard Jeremiah Wright?

She's basically eliminated herself not just from winning the nomination, but probably from the ticket.

She could have saved it by offering up a better apology later today, but her apology didn't even mention the hypothetical candidate that might be assassinated... she apologized to the Kennedy's.

The way that I took it, and I have to admit that it didn't occur to me that it made sense any other way, was that RFK was very famously assassinated in June, and that nobody that was alive at that time could ever forget that it happened in June, but that somehow people have forgotten that if it happened in June, than the California primary was in June, and that therefore June was not particularly late for a nomination contest.

Now, I agree that it's tone-deaf, in part because lots of people don't really remember that it was in June, but in part because (as people have said) 1968 was an exceptionally bad year for the Party.

Also, while listening to that interview, I imagined her having spent much of the last month bitterly thinking that if we were still on the old schedule, when California voted late, then for sure she would have won. Which imaginary insight into her character is not very flattering...

Thanks,
-V.

The way that I took it, and I have to admit that it didn't occur to me that it made sense any other way, was that RFK was very famously assassinated in June, and that nobody that was alive at that time could ever forget that it happened in June, but that somehow people have forgotten that if it happened in June, than the California primary was in June, and that therefore June was not particularly late for a nomination contest.

That doesn't really help...

What were there... 12 total contests in 1968?

Different time - this was before the '72 reforms. The nominee was still largely chosen by state parties.

RFK in June '68 is inviolably tied to his assassination, not the 'lateness' of the campaign.

I don't think HRC is pining for an assassination, but she's made what amounts to a disqualifying statement.

Guess what? Candidates say thousands of things during a campaign. Sometimes, these off-the-cuff comments are not expressed as artfully as the candidates would like. But let's take this particular off-the-cuff comment and pretend that Hillory was hoping for Obama's assisination! What a terrible person she is!

"If she really is trying to convince us that she's staying in in case Obama is assassinated that's nuts"

True. It's also nuts to think that that's what she's really trying to say.

Anon, artless statements do have an effect in political campaigns (see bittergate, for example). So don't act so surprised.

Who's surprised? Gore thinks he invented the internet! Kerry was against war funding before he was for it! Obama thinks the rural folk drown their resentments in guns and religion! Clinton hopes for Obama's assasination!

Any serious Dem candidate gets the same treatment.

Hard to really claim that this was "off the cuff" or that it was because she was thinking of the Kennedy's, what with her having said the same thing before.

http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/05/hillarys_bizarre_rfk_comment.html

My god, what a poison she has become. She's shredding her reputation day by day, become more and more desperate, and looking more and more pathetic, as she does so.

And, of course, she's lying about her husband's nomination, since Clinton had the nomination sewn up in March, when Tsongas, a far classier person than Clinton, withdrew rather than be a "spoiler".

Vidor, the argument you're advancing -- lots of nomination fights went into June! Look at 1968! -- is just substantively stupid. What if Giuliani had pointed to some past GOP nomination when the NH primary was in March and said, "It's perfectly fine for me to have no delegates in March! Dick Nixon didn't have any until March 1968 either!"?

The schedule is different now. The race is effectively over now because virtually all the delegates have been selected already. That wasn't the case in 1968.

It's a transparently stupid argument, even leaving aside the horrible reference to RFKs assassination.

"Hard to really claim that this was 'off the cuff' ... what with her having said the same thing before."

Yes, in March she said virtually the same thing, almost word-for-word, and it was not even slightly controversial. Now, however, it's proof that she's some kind of monster.

But let's join with the media and Republicans and tear down a Big Dem! Half of us will get Clinton today, then the other half will get Obama tomorrow! And then - Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb bomb Iran!

Hmm. Don't remember the outrage when Olbermann suggested Clinton be killed. There's a surprise.

Obama isn't significant enough for the kooks and haters to assassinate.

"the argument you're advancing -- lots of nomination fights went into June! Look at 1968! -- is just substantively stupid."

No, sir, I'm afraid it is you who are stupid. I will repeat, again, that the race was actively contested into the month of June in 1968, 1972, 1976, 1980, 1984, and 1992. I am sorry if this displeases you, but it's the truth, and you might want to correct for your ignorance.

"Don't remember the outrage when Olbermann suggested Clinton be killed."

Outrage is a one-way street, you know.

"But let's join with the media and Republicans and tear down a Big Dem!"

Indeed.

...and the primary schedule was different in all of those years, Vidor. Really, the argument is just absurd. If you move the biggest state's presidential primary from June to February, it will change the significance of June in the nomination process.

Is that really so difficult to understand?

Next she'll tell us that the new President-elect doesn't need to have an inaugural address ready until March -- isn't that how most Presidents did it historically?

Well, look at it this way. Clinton's comment highlights the fact that even she knows this electoral contest is basically over and that Obama has won it.

Still no apology from Mr. Boyd? Pity.

Why didn't Sam Boyd link to the entire interview? His ridiculous If she really is trying to convince us that she's staying in in case Obama is assassinated that's nuts is suspiciously similar to many other fanboys posts on this topic. Was their a talking points memo or have you internalized the outrage machine/Clinton is evil spot?

Pretty clear from the back and forth in the actual interview revolves around the supposed attempt of people/media trying to push her out of the campaign. She specifically refutes the idea that she needs to drop out now for the sake of unity. Clinton highlights other contests that went into June to show that there is still plenty of time before the general election.

She is using 1968 since everyone remembers RFK was killed after winning the California primary in June. In Clinton's view she is RFK, who was well behind Humphrey in delegates but vowed to take the fight to the convention in his California victory speech, not Obama. Also, the 1968 Democratic convention was the last week in August just like this years convention.

the argument you're advancing -- lots of nomination fights went into June! Look at 1968! -- is just substantively stupid

I do think that it's a stupid argument, or at least an unpersuasive one. But it's not an outrageous or offensive argument, and Vidor is right (in his initial response) that the outrage is extensive and peculiarly misplaced.

Thanks,
-V.

This is a perfect litmus test to determine if a person's hatred of Hillary has overcome their ability to form rational thought.

For a candidate with supposedly such extensive "experience", I find her statement AT BEST to be too ignorant and mindless to merit her further presidential consideration. The remaining super-delegates should get off the fence!

Scary skeletons in Clinton's closet. The Clintons have powerful connections. No charges are being made:
1-James McDougal - Clinton 's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.
2-Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown . The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.
3- Vince Foster - Former White House counselor and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock 's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.
4- Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the air Traffic controller committed suicide.
5- C. Victor Raiser II- Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992
6-Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock , September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor".
7-Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
8-Jerry Parks -Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock . Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock . Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton.

9-James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas
10-James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.
11-Kathy Ferguson- Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
12-Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiance of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiance, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiance.
13-Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton 's friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.
14-Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.
15- Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.
16-Paula Grober - Clinton 's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992 . She died in a one car accident.
17-Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation
18- Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.
19-Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington , Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993 . He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty scandal.
20-Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29,

21-Charles Meissner -Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.
22-Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton 's advisory council personally treated Clinton 's mother, stepfather and brother.
23-Barry Seal -Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas , death was no accident.
24-Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.
25-Stanley Huggins - Investigated Madison Guaranty. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.
26- Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.
27-Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

As a Canadian I can say that watching American politics makes me sick to my stomach. The rhetoric -- the viciousness -- the polarization -- the press. You people bully each other (and the rest of the world) until you are black and blue.

Hillary Clinton made what was a harmless reference to RFK campaigning in June, but American politics being what it is, the daggers quickly flashed and the fifth estate pulled out the grindstones. "Let the witch-hunt begin!"

Pathetic.

Hillary Clinton is vermin. She knew what the implications of her remark would be and she knew she would start a fire, but she thinks she can get away with anything. Let us face the fact that the Clintons HAVE gotten away with everything. She did not mis-speak when she talked about Bosnia and she didn't mis-speak this time. She is too coniving to mis-speak. If not, according to some of these posts, what kind of damage could she do by "mis-speaking" on the world stage?"

Hillary what kind of medicine are you on. It is making you demented and deranged. If you are not on any medication then you are truly a f@#!* up and dangerous person. With the comments and lies that have come out of your mouth, what would make you think the black community would ever support you again. I would like to add you should not feel to safe in the black community anymore. If I were you I would be looking over my shoulder. Go back to the "HARD WORKING WHITE PEOPLE" SINCE TO YOU THOSE ARE THE ONLY VOTES THAT COUNTS. Just for the record, I am a 55yr old black man I have been working hard all my life to support my family. I am very insulted by your remarks and deeply concerned that you support the assassination of the first black candidate to run for president to achieve your own personal goals.

"This is a perfect litmus test to determine if a person's hatred of Hillary has overcome their ability to form rational thought."

It is also a perfect litmus test to determine if a person's adoration of Hillary has overcome their ability to form rational thought. Care to guess which of us is going to come out better in that "litmus test"?

Apology not accepted.

Senator Clinton talks too much...very inappropriate and a hurtful reminder from 40 years ago...she needs to think before she speaks.

Zip it!

"I will repeat, again, that the race was actively contested into the month of June in ..."

And we will reeat, again, that the differences between those earlier contests and this year's contest make the comparisons wildly inappropriate, particularly for the two contests that she chose. Pretending, for example, that Bill hadn't locked up the nomination by March/April is just dumb.

"I am sorry if this displeases you, but it's the truth, and you might want to correct for your ignorance."

Right back atcha, kid.

Actually, if you look at the 1992 campaign, there are some parallels with this year's campaign. Too bad that those parallels put Obama in the Bill Clinton role and Hillary in the Brown role -- a loser who had, and has, no chance of victory but remains in, anyway:

Many Democrats said that barring an unexpected collapse by Mr. Clinton's campaign, it is difficult to see how Mr. Brown can overtake the Governor.

"It certainly brings it much closer to a conclusion," said Ronald H. Brown, the Democratic national chairman. "You could argue that it's theoretically possible for Jerry Brown to mount a come-from-behind challenge, but the math and the reality of Bill Clinton's momentum certainly work against him."

Just this dumb Canadian talking again, but from where I sit (outside of American politics, thankfully) you'd have to be either completely stupid or willfully malicious to suggest that Clinton meant anything more than a simple reference to two very important Democratic candidates campaigning into June, RFK being one of them.

The comments you continue to post here simply prove my earlier entry....American politics is a vicious game, and all of you are caught up in the cesspool.

I think it reveals her state of mind ...She still feels she is desitined to be President and that "something" will happen to ensure that ...if she just has faith that God will reward her.
She is delusional...not necessarily HOPING that Obama will be assassinated...but its much on her mind.

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"This is a perfect litmus test to determine if a person's hatred of Hillary has overcome their ability to form rational thought."

No truer words, Dazir. No truer words.

I'm tired of having my intelligence insulted. I’ll accept that Hillary’s intent was to give examples of the contest going into June; but that’s not what she said. From any common-sense understanding of her statement it’s clear that she referenced Kennedy’s assassination as a reason for staying in the race.

“between my opponent and his camp and some in the media, there has been this urgency to end this and you know historically that makes no sense… Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June”

Her motives closely risen to the surface ready to bust forth due to blind ambition and desperation, she has revealed her innermost motives and subconscious desires. She should be given the door by the superdelegates for this very offensive yet telling remark that recalls a very sad and dark past in American history. I did feel sorry for her but not anymore. She has proved herself to be a woman devoid of conscience! A dangerous woman! She feels sorry for no one, not Barack or his family by this fear that is very real to them or to the Kennedys who are now going through a very tough and sad time.

Abraham Lincoln was assinated and so was JFK who took L. B. Johnson by keeping their Enemies close. I think Barack should stay as far from Hillary as he can for his own political good and safety! We must learn from the past that these marriages of convenience do not work! Now Hillary is whining. But not only is she whining, she is distorting the facts. Clintons made a big deal about Barack whining and said "if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen." I think they should take their own advice!

nice job on the truncated quote bogo. Atwater would be proud

EB: The reports this morning and overnight were that your campaign had made certain contacts or overtures to Mr. Obama's campaign just in the past 24 hours and were working on some sort of deal for your exit.

CLINTON: That's flatly untrue. Flatly, completely untrue.

EB: No discussions at all.

CLINTON: No discussions at all. At all. Now I can't speak for the 17 million people who voted for me, and I have a lot of supporters. But it is flatly untrue, and it is not anything that I am entertaining. It is nothing I have planned. It is nothing that I am prepared to engage in. I am still vigorously campaigning. I am happy to be here. Looking forward to campaigning here. Going to Puerto Rice tomorrow and I expect to be back here before the election. But this is part of an ongoing effort to end this before it's over. I am very heartened by the strong support that I've shown in Kentucky and West Virginia just in the last two weeks. They sure don't think it's over. I don't think the people who are here in South Dakota looking forward to vote think it's over and I sure don't think it's over. Neither of us has the number of delegates needed to be the nominee and every time they declare it, doesn't make it so. Neither of us do. I've never seen anything like this. I have, perhaps, a long enough memory that many people who finished a rather distant second behind nominees went all the way to the convention. I remember very well 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, where some who had contested in the primaries were determined to carry their case to the convention. I'm ahead in the popular vote. Less than 200 delegates separate us out of 4,400. Michigan and Florida are not resolved. No one has the nomination, so I would look to the camp of my opponent for the source of those stories.

EB: Well, I was just going to ask, one presumes that's where it originates.

CLINTON: I would think so. But that's been the pattern for quite some time now. Honestly, I just believe that this is the most important job in the world, it's the toughest job in the world. You should be willing to campaign for every vote. You should be willing to debate anytime, anywhere. I think it's an interesting juxtaposition where we find ourselves. I have been willing to do all of that during the entire process and people have been trying to push me out of this ever since Iowa.

EB: Why?

CLINTON: I don't know. I don't know. I find it curious because it is unprecedented in history. I don't understand it. Between my opponent and his camp and some in the media there has been this urgency to end this. Historically, that makes no sense, so I find it a bit of a mystery.

EB: You don't buy the party unity argument?

CLINTON: I don't because, again, I've been around long enough. You know my husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. You know, I just don't understand it and there's lot of speculation about why it is, but . . .

EB: What's your speculation?

CLINTON: You know, I don't know, I find it curious and I don't want to attribute motives or strategies to people because I don't really know, but it's a historical curiosity to me.

EB: Does it have anything to do with gender?

CLINTON: I don't know that either.

"..."

LOL, Bogo. LOL.

"I find it curious because it is unprecedented in history. I don't understand it."

This, for me, is the real clincher, because she is either really, really stupid, or she's delusional, or she's outright lying. What's happening to her is not even remotely "unprecedented", nor is it particularly difficult to understand. And her two examples were so far off the mark that even a charitable reading shows her examples to be completely false.

"What's happening to her is not even remotely 'unprecedented', nor is it particularly difficult to understand."

O.K., Dearheart, let's have those examples of other candidates getting the daily shoutouts of "get out of the race." What ya got?

Also, fyi, quotation marks go outside punctuation.

"I'm tired of having my intelligence insulted."

Then stop writing in to the blog, Bogo! We're tired of insulting your intelligence, but someone has to do it.

"O.K., Dearheart, let's have those examples of other candidates getting the daily shoutouts of 'get out of the race.' What ya got?"

Ever hear of someone called Huckabee? Or, to use Clinton's own example, Brown?

"Also, fyi, quotation marks go outside punctuation."

That depends on where and when you were educated, moron.

After perusing the comments on a number of blogs, it appears to me that some hard-core Obama supporters think Hillary really wants Obama assassinated.

People who aren't hard-core Obama supporters are having a hard time seeing their point.

Incidentally, in the case of RFK, the campaign was really just beginning in June. The primaries, if I remember correctly, were over, but RFK was going to use his primary wins to attempt to flip "establishment" delegates who were supporting Humphrey.

"After perusing the comments on a number of blogs, it appears to me that some hard-core Obama supporters think Hillary really wants Obama assassinated."

After perusing the comment on a number of blogs, it appears to me that some hard-core Clinton supporters think that what Hillary said actually made sense and was a perfectly normal thing to say.

"People who aren't hard-core Obama supporters are having a hard time seeing their point."

People who aren't hard-core Clinton supporters are having a hard time seeing their point.

"Incidentally, in the case of RFK, the campaign was really just beginning in June."

Which renders any comparisons between then and now completely bogus, which is pretty much our point.

"The primaries, if I remember correctly, were over, but RFK was going to use his primary wins to attempt to flip 'establishment' delegates who were supporting Humphrey."

The only problem is that RFK hadn't actually won that many primaries. And, in this case, the "establishment" candidate is Clinton.

And, of course, in 1968, the Democratic candidate lost.

That's one of the reasons that this has been commented on so widely: Clinton's comments made absolutely no sense.

Who cares what she says? The fact is that as long as Obama is in the race she won't win. Whether she mentioned assasination as a way she might win or not, the fact remains the primary voters have made their decision, and most of the superdelegates have as well. Its over, its done, move on.

I despise the Clintons, their policies and their political tactics as much as the next informed progressive activist, but it is senseless to still be focusing on what she said and making an issue out of it like doing so might make a difference.

And if this conversation were relevant, the conversation to have would not be about what she thinks (of course she isn't hoping Obama dies), but what she is trying to get her supporters to think. And does anyone think she is above trying to get people to fool themselves into thinking they still need to go make a contribution at HillrayClinton.com because Obama might get shot? Does anyone think there are a significant number of career political operatives who are above such things? It boggles the mind that people who follow politics still take public speeches given by major politicians to have any significant relation to the beliefs of the politician delivering the speech. Words are tools to manipulate not commuciate for these people. So this idea that it reveals something about her character is sophmoric.

The only problem is that RFK hadn't actually won that many primaries. And, in this case, the "establishment" candidate is Clinton.

Ha! Good one. The establishment media, establishment bloggers, establishment money, establishment liberals (Kennedy/Kerry) all support Obama.

"That depends on where and when you were educated, moron."

Not according to PMA it's not; thanks for playing.

"And, in this case, the 'establishment' candidate is Clinton."

bwa hah hah hah hah!
This explains a lot, I guess. Even though the MSM, most of the lefty bloggers, and the leaders of the DNC are on Obama's side, some Obama supporters persist in the notion that voting for him was/is an act of rebellion.

Myth must be his lucky day.

I'm surprised how few people have pointed out the stupidest thing about using 1968 as an example.

That was the year Richard Nixon was elected!

"This explains a lot, I guess."

Yes, dear, it does, but not about me, I'm afraid.

"Even though the MSM, most of the lefty bloggers, and the leaders of the DNC are on Obama's side...."

ROFL.... I do so love reading posts from deluded Clinton supporters. Dear heart, Clinton had the party elders, the big money, the pundits, the super-delegates all on her side at the time she started campaigning. The MSM may not have liked her much, but her nomination was considered "inevitable," remember? You do remember that her husband used to be President, right? And that he still has his hands in the party machinery?

As for bloggers, they tended to be for Edwards, not Obama. They have, and had, little to no influence on the primary.

She had everything going for her and she blew it. She most emphatically was the "establishment" candidate, precisely as Humphrey was. Obama was the candidate of "change". Deal with it.

"Not according to PMA it's not; thanks for playing."

ROFL.... Thanks for confirming you're a moron. Here's a free clue for you: not every country does it the way that the U.S. does. And another free clue: the U.S. style has not been consistently applied in all regions and all times

So when and where you were educated affects how you use quotation marks, precisely as I said.

"Ha! Good one. The establishment media, establishment bloggers, establishment money, establishment liberals (Kennedy/Kerry) all support Obama."

Sigh.... And another moron. "Establishment", in the context of the 1968 primary, refers to the party, not to the press and certainly not to bloggers. Moreover, you are factually incorrect about the "establishment liberals" and the "establishment money", the vast majority of which has gone to Clinton, not to Obama. Jeez, people, turn your brains on before you post.

"I'm tired of having my intelligence insulted."

Then stop being so stupid, bogo. Her comment was CLEARLY referencing campaigns into June. To add anything else to that just shows how vicious American politics can be.