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BIRTHERS BATTLE OVER FORGED "BIRTH CERTIFICATE."

Dave Weigel reports that after Orly Taitz's complete meltdown on MSNBC yesterday, as well as the complete debunking of the altered Australian birth certificate Taitz was shopping around as President Obama's "real" birth certificate, the other birther leaders have pounced:

The new focus on a bogus document from an anonymous source has riven the small community of activists who are trying to prove that Barack Obama cannot be president of the United States. The day after the image appeared online, prominent “birther” attorneys and activists worried that Taitz was doing real, irreversible damage to their movement. As she’s become the public face of the “birther cause”–on Monday, MSNBC labeled her a “leader” of the “birther movement”–other figures in the “birther” community are distancing themselves from her work and from this document.
The most revealing interview with a birther leader wasn't conducted by a member of the press--it was conducted by Stephen Colbert, who asked Taitz simply if there was anything Obama could do to satisfy the birthers and prove he was eligible to be president. She said no. Of course there isn't! It's not rational. After Taitz' performance on MSNBC yesterday, coupled with the forged Kenyan birth certificate, I wonder how much longer this movement is going to last in any real organized form.

The birther movement has to be one of the most bizarre subcultures in American history--a byproduct of ongoing racism and American social pressure that has forced open admissions of racism from polite company. These people are simply incapable of accepting a black man as president of the United States, but they can't just say that--it just isn't done--so they've dedicated themselves to chasing windmills in an effort to somehow prove Obama is illegitimate by some point of fact. It doesn't matter that we know Obama was born in Hawaii, or that say, Chester A. Arthur's father was not a citizen when he was born. Obama is illegitimate by definition.

Fringe movements often follow a sort of pattern, where the initial genuine energy of fringe devotees is exploited for the financial gain of their leaders, who then collapse into infighting over reaping the benefits. The question I would ask is, how much money have these people raised from their followers who genuinely believe that somehow, they were going to defy reality and recall the president of the United States by "proving" he was not a citizen?

-- A. Serwer



COMMENTS

I don't know if every birther is necessarily a hidden (or not so hidden) racist -- this could just be right wing paranoia. (Taitz's big illustrations are Hitler and Stalin.)

Then again, how much of a difference is there between just regular right wing paranoia, and racist right wing paranoia?

IMMINENT QUESTION:

What happens to Judge Sotomayor's confirmation as Supreme Court Justice if the Constitution's "natural born citizen" Presidential eligibility requirement is subsequently determined applicable to Barack Obama on the basis of Article 2's exclusion of dual citizenship birth (doesn't matter whether Obama born in Hawaii since his dad was British citizen at the time)? It would seem prudent, if not dereliction of Constitutional duty in not so doing, for the United States Senate to defer voting on Judge Sotomayor's confirmation at the very least until there is determination, now imminent, on standing in Kerchner v. Congress (USDC NJ) on that precise issue (Congressional failure to take up the raised and known constitutional ineligibility question prior to declaring a Presidential winner in the vote of the electoral college). For the full Senate now to proceed to vote to confirm Judge Sotomayor (an otherwise lifetime appointment) before then, would be a knowing and very substantial exacerbation of any inherent Constitutional crisis -- compounding the previous Congressional dereliction. That is, the Executive Branch, as well as conceivably all actions of a Congress under a President determined ineligible, would leave the Supreme Court as an essential unfettered remaining Branch of the Federal Government, that is unfettered so long as Mr. Obama's nominee is not yet confirmed by the Senate.

Will not one Senator, let alone Republican Senator, raise this issue on the Senate floor? The nation is watching.

The nation is watching.

Watching and alternately cringing and laughing at what a bizarre group of people we have within our borders.

The nation is watching.

No, it's really not.

These people are simply incapable of accepting a black man as president of the United States, but they can't just say that--it just isn't done--so they've dedicated themselves to chasing windmills in an effort to somehow prove Obama is illegitimate by some point of fact.

Evidence please. Words matter.

Do you ever support your theories or just posit them?

Duvall:

No, it's really not.

I beg to differ. This stuff is high-LAIR-ee-us.

The question I would ask is, how much money have these people raised from their followers who genuinely believe that somehow, they were going to defy reality and recall the president of the United States by "proving" he was not a citizen?

Not the goal of all asking to see BO's long form of his birth certificate, but I guess you know you're being disingenuous here. The question has become what is Obama hiding from the long form? Adoption? Inconvenient "white" next to his name?

He releases the form and all questions go away. One has to come to the conclusion that, by not releasing the form, Obama (and the Obots like you) is purposefully
keeping the issue alive.

Paul B:
You is lying to me. Just because i don't understand sophisticated language(like a Georgia congressman) i can recognize a liar when i mock one.
The questions will not go away and neither will you.(Or anon)

If Obama isn't President then Biden would be the President. Do birfers really want that ?

Since bills become law within 10 days unless vetoed by the President, the only questionable Congressional actions would be vetoed bills and bills signed during a Congressional adjournment.

Why didn't the birfers challenge the clearly unconstitutional election of Dick Cheney as Vice President ? Could he have become a Wyoming resident between August and October 2000 when (1) he never spent two consecutive nights at his purported residence and (2) his wife never changed her residence ?

He releases the form and all questions go away.

A four-year-old wandered by just now, read what you wrote, and laughed out loud. "How stupid and naive do I look, asshole?," he asked of your work. "Do I look like a fucking moron?"

Milk was coming out of his nose. It was disturbing.

"...Stephen Colbert, who asked Taitz simply if there was anything Obama could do to satisfy the birthers and prove he was eligible to be president. She said no. Of course there isn't! It's not rational."

Oh, it's rational -- if you're already convinced Obama is not eligible to be president. Rationally speaking, he can't prove that he's something he's not.

H-bob... I always thought there was a plausible case against Cheney's TX residency. And that's a good case in point: a court ruled otherwise, and the matter was dropped. (Except when it's mentioned here.)

Will not one Senator, let alone Republican Senator, raise this issue on the Senate floor?

And then they can demand that the CIA stop monitoring their thoughts using the chip that was implanted in their heads when they got vaccinated for smallpox.

Milk was coming out of his nose, so I lapped it up. It was disturbing.

I imagine so.

None of this is a surprise to readers of "The Paranoid Style in American Politics," 1964

Question: Would the birther movement have protested John McCain if he were elected President? Probably not. I only ask because he was actually born in Colon, Panama.

The birther movement is a clever veil for deep-seated racism in the Republican party. Politically correct bigotry.

The birther movement is a clever veil for deep-seated racism in the Republican party. Politically correct bigotry

Evidence please. Words matter. Do you youngins even pretend to know how to support an argument anymore? Or is simply restating a position enough to pass muster these days?

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