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Leave The Waterboard At Home.

Michael Crowley has some thoughts on the alleged terrorist plot involving Najibullah Zazi:

Doesn't this seem like something approaching the "ticking time bomb" scenario that constantly bedevils debates about interrogation techniques? How hard are the feds working Zazi for information about possible would-be terrorists inside the U.S. right now? How hard should they be working him? I keep leaning towards one conclusion--then imagining how I would feel about that conclusion if a bomb kills someone I know on the New York subway next week.

This week alone, in addition to the alleged Zazi plot, law enforcement agencies stopped an attempted bombing in Dallas and an attempted bombing in Springfield. In both of these instances, they made contact with the suspects at a very early stage. Obviously, until all the details of the alleged Zazi plot come to light, it's difficult to speculate how much danger the country is still in. But if anything, it's been a great week for domestic counterterrorism as a domain of law enforcement, and it's been a terrible week for people who think we need to break out the confinement boxes and waterboards every time the government captures someone it believes is dangerous. Crowley's point assumes that torturing Zazi would yield accurate information, and thus far, we have little reason to believe that's the case. In fact, recent scientific evidence suggests the opposite.

Let's say we did torture Zazi, and the scenario Crowley envisions occurs anyway. Would we then believe that torture doesn't work, or that we simply didn't "work him" hard enough? Once you've accepted the premise that torture is a magic bullet, the conclusion when it fails is going to be that we simply didn't torture as much as we should have.

From now on, are we going to have a debate over whether or not to violate the law every single time there's news of a potential terrorist attack?

-- A. Serwer



COMMENTS

Torture cannot fail. It can only be failed?

I don't want to belittle the dangers, nor do I want to suggest that the putative terrorists are incapable of great evil. But the more you find out about the terrorist planners, the more intellectually challenged they seem. I'm remembering how the 1993 WTC bombers were caught by going back to demand the security deposit on the destroyed rental truck. Little seems to have changed.

I am deeply concerned that Chevrolet's shoddy workmanship will cause the death of someone I know on a Los Angeles freeway next week. Does that make it OK to torture a GM executive?

Why is those that never served who walk arounf in constant fear 24 hours a day waant the harshes types of info gathering. I am underthe opion that if these COWARDS who have never done anything harder than decise what side of the street they want to walk on served in the Military for just 2 years you would see all this call for waterboarding disappear. Remember the Closet Queen hannity was challenged by Keith olbermann to be water boarded and the COWARD nevr answered or excepted the challenge. Hmm makes me wonder how effective water boarding really is.

These poor schmucks watched "24" and didn't realize that torture worked on TV only because the script writers were in charge of how the plot turns out. In real life, there is no one in charge of the torture script. Things don't work like they do on TV, in the space of a 1 hour episode.

Things like this make you wonder if these people are sane. I have come to the conclusion that most right-wingers are mentally disturbed, but are capable of eating, sleeping and holding down a job, so we thing they are sane. Nut they are really not.

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