MAX BOOT PERFORMS A DOUBLE-REVERSE KIPLING OFF THE HIGH BOARD
Bing West, via Max Boot, argues that the outrage over waterboarding is being blown out of proportion:
"In my book, The Village, I described how in 1966 the police chief Thanh of Binh Nghia village used what is now called waterboarding, rubbing lye soap into a wet cloth and placing it across the face of the prisoner. (p. 67). I never saw a prisoner die or not be able to walk out of that room. But they talked. I reported it and our orders were to keep the Marines in our Combined Action Platoon out of that room. The PFs were under our command, but not the National Police.Today, 40 years later, the order would be for the American adviser to physically stop Thanh and to bring him up on charges."
It might interest West and Boot to know that there is a substantial amount of research, some might even call it a "scholarly consensus," that suggests that the Vietnam war was not a resounding American success, and thus "They did it that way in Vietnam!" does not constitute an effective argument for doing it that way in Iraq, or anywhere else.
That aside, Boot takes West's argument to a disturbing place:
"Our advisers in Iraq don’t have the same option of turning a blind eye. As West notes: “Today, 40 years later, the order would be for the American adviser to physically stop Thanh and to bring him up on charges.” As West notes, that is a misguided attempt to impose our cultural norms elsewhere—you might even call it “cultural imperialism.”
Astonishing. Starting from the racist assumption that "torture is normal in their culture," Boot suggests that those who oppose the use of torture by Iraqis on Iraqis for the purpose of maintaining an American military occupation in Iraq are guilty of "cultural imperialism." I believe we've moved beyond mere "mumbo-jumbo," and into the realm of "mumbo-pocus." It's worth noting the clear echoes of old-timey colonialist propaganda in Boot's appeal to Western cultural prejudices to defend brutality which supports Western policy goals, however, charging people who oppose this with being the real "imperialists" is, as far as I can tell, Boot's own special contribution to the genre.
--Matthew Duss
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COMMENTS (6)
Max Boot might just be America’s number one war-wanker—he spends entirely too much time reading, writing, talking and thinking about large groups of grown men ripping one another’s bodies apart with hot bits of molten lead. This is how he chooses to spend his time on earth.
(btw, I must confess inexcusable weakness for Kipling, misogynistic, imperialistic war-wanker that he was. The man was a hell of a poet who had a great deal of sympathy for the peoples whose subjugation he shamelessly advocated. I know, I know, he called them “half-devil, half-child.” But I have read all of his poetry and I do not recall that he ever advocated torture. Someone out there please correct me if I’m wrong.)
Posted by: fredo bush | November 5, 2007 2:33 PM
Notice that Boot's argument is, at bottom, an appeal to moral relativism.
How ironic!
Posted by: Jim | November 5, 2007 5:00 PM
Wow, talk about your misleading headline:"The 'scholarly consensus' is that waterboarding is torture." Not even close to what the article said. Is this an example of editorial license? Bait and switch? An inability to make distictions? Plain dishonesty? Hard to say.
Posted by: mitch | November 5, 2007 11:43 PM
Fredo:
Read "The Mark of the Beast" by Kipling. Torture is treated in a way similar to Boot's treatment.
From reading Coetzee's "Waiting for the Barbarians" I feel that imperialism cannot exist without some element of torture.
Posted by: harry | November 6, 2007 4:38 PM
Thanks, Harry.
I will.
Posted by: frdo bush | November 6, 2007 5:31 PM
"I never saw a prisoner die or not be able to walk out of that room. But they talked."
But what did they say?
I keep hearing the argument that information obtained under torture is virtually worthless--but I don't recall a counter-argument, at least one with facts or evidence.
And without effective results, you've nothing left to do but quote Warren Oates' Benny:
"Why? Because it feels so God damn good."
Posted by: Steve Paradis | November 6, 2007 11:49 PM