many of which are located in undeserved areas,

Do you mean these areas don't deserve hospitals, or are they underserved?

G-d I am so sick of this fucking catholic shtick. We got it here in MA when Catholic Charities--otherwise actually known as Catholic run publicly funded social services and adoption agency--decided to screw over the orphans and families it works with and try to accept public monies and refuse to place kids with gay families. The board and the people who actually did the work were fine with complying with state law and placing needy kids with willing families regardless of that family's sexual orientation but the Catholic church hierarchy threw a hissy fit. and yet? I think they ended up coming around. At least adoptions haven't ended.

In a world with universal health care we wouldn't be dependent on the kindness and charity of these unkind and uncharitable organizations to provide healthcare. Its a disgrace that this is even a question. If the raison d'etre of catholic hospitals is to serve only catholic or pro life patients they should stop accepting federal funding. Its prosletizing to refuse aid and succor to an ill or indigent person until they subscribe to your crazy cult beliefs, you know? And it sure ain't charity.

aimai

All this would be even more interesting if FOCA had a remote chance of passing.

Aimai in a world with universal heath care you would still be dependent on those very same people who support and give at these charities. Instead of calling it a charity that same money would then come to you through the name 'Universal Heath Care'.

BTW is not the reason for being (raison d'etre) of Catholic Hospitals to care for "catholic and pro life patients" exclusively.

In addition Catholic Hospitals do not, "refuse aid and succor to an ill or indigent person until they subscribe to your crazy cult beliefs". The only surgery that these hospitals do refuse to perform is abortion, which as noted above is a stance entirely legal per the federal conscience clause. It is not like Catholics just made up a pro-life position out of nowhere. Since the very conception of the Church and the Christian faith it has held this position, which never changed.

"...you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is begotten." - The Didache Chapter 2. First Century AD.

Dear Correcting Aimai,
Fuck off. No, under universal health care there would be no need for "catholic charity hospitals" because access to medical services would become a civil right. Neither the UK nor Canada are dependent on catholic hospitals, and nor would we. And, of course, if a Catholic hospital refuses contraceptive care, tubal ligations, care for ectopic pregnancies, and therapeutic abortions to its indigent patients who request such services it is, of course, engaging in forced prosletizing or punishing of non catholic patients and using the fact that they are indigent or dependent on services as a tool to enforce idiosyncratic religious beliefs. That they do so while accepting tax payer money is all the more disgusting.

oh, and fuck the church, which "from its very beginning" has allowed the mass slaughter of non church members and forbidden abortion in order to increase its worldly hold on vulnerable children and families.

aimai

PS. theology is actually a hobby of mine so please don't bother to instruct me on your particular understanding of your little cult. Even the identity and nature of christ has been an issue since the beginning of your church and how much more so has been your attitude towards the born and the unborn. Love the church that gave us "kill them all and lot god sort them out" lecturing the rest of us on murder.

Aimai, you need to calm down. Didnt think that would stick to you in such a way. And again yes through taxes (to support the UHS) you are still dependent on those very same Catholics that would have otherwise given it to you through charity.

PS to your POS PS:
Citing that theology is a hobby of yours does nothing to bulk up your argument. And even if theology, which in this case we are actually talking about morals, is your hobby that still doesnt mean you understand what it is your talking about.

Love the Church that gave us the Hospital System, the University System and Orphanages.

For the Catholic Church has contributed greatly to society through its social doctrine which has guided leaders to promote social justice and by setting up the hospital system in Medieval Europe, a system which was different from the merely reciprocal hospitality of the Greeks and family-based obligations of the Romans. These hospitals were established to cater to "particular social groups marginalized by poverty, sickness, and age," according to historian of hospitals, Guenter Risse.

Could it be that the Catholic Church opposes the use of contraception out of fear of an American altar boy shortage?

Does anyone else find it odd that an organzation, that has paid out billions of dollars in personal injury judgments or settlements because it was unable or unwilling to keep its priests out of its children, is moralizing/kvetching about how other people copulate and what to do with the sometime product thereof?

The only surgery that these hospitals do refuse to perform is abortion, which as noted above is a stance entirely legal per the federal conscience clause. It is not like Catholics just made up a pro-life position out of nowhere.

So what's their excuse for not providing emergency contraception, which does NOT cause an abortion of any kind, but only suppresses ovulation? Is it "pro-life" to decide that a rapist's sperm has the right to fertilize his victim's egg when that meeting can be safely prevented?

Love the Church that gave us the Hospital System, the University System and Orphanages.

Uh, you may not want to be emphasizing the orphanages part so much, what with the abuse lawsuits against them. Just saying.

Here's another orphanage abuse lawsuit. I'm sure those orphans sure were grateful to be abused by the nuns and priests running their orphanages.

Mnemosyne, not providing emergency contraceptives is these hospitals remaining consistent with their stances and also is allowable per the same federal conscience clause.

"Is it "pro-life" to decide that a rapist's sperm has the right to fertilize his victim's egg when that meeting can be safely prevented?" A Red Herring(Appeal to Emotion) Seriously i dont know where people keep making up rights from. There is no right to rape a person. There is however a Right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness, in that order.

And a second red herring(straw men) to bring up that there are problematic orphanages with pedophiles that crept into them, as if that somehow negates the good that others do. Perhaps you should use less fallacies in you next future posts.

Im Out, laters.

Mnemosyne?

Greg Bear fan?

good info. thank you for this news.

Yet more evidence (as if it were needed) as to why no faithful Catholic ought ever support the Democratic Party or any other leftist organization in any way, shape or form. To do so would be like chickens voting for Colonel Sanders.

really good post. thank you

FOCA is going nowhere. Everyone should get a grip. This administration is going to tackle a great many things; abortion is not going to be one of them.